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General Discussion => Customers Builds => Topic started by: swiftdoc on 01 January 2016, 12:06:04
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Happy new year to all of you!!!!
I have begun my Velarde build after Christmas. The quality of the hull is superb with lots of details moulded into the sides.
The motor is a Bühler 12 Volts (low revs, high torque). I will use a 3s lipo battery as I do with my Muirneag. Propshaft and prop are Raboesch parts. The rudder is a scratch build. I replaced the rudder foot as well by a brass part as I found that more stable than the white metal parts.
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The bilge keels are made from two styrene halves with brass pins inserted. The pins are glued with epoxy at the inside of the hull to make it waterproof.
My new sanding tool was a great help sanding the hull edges. It works perfectly with wood and glass fibre but not with styrene (melts suddenly).
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Hi Swiftdoc.
This should make a really nice model. As a boy I remember seeing the Velarde off Southend Pier in the Thames many many years ago. Beautiful little ship. You are making a good start. By the way what is that tool you have in your last photo?
Robin
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Hi Robin,
the tool is made by Proxxon (see the following link):
http://www.proxxon.com/de/micromot/28536.php?list
It is fine for sanding edges, etc. but not for finishing purposes.
Interesting that you saw the real Velarde. I like the lines of that ship, especially at the bow. Unfortunately you find only few pics of her on the internet.
Regards
Arno
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Hi Arno, happy new year to you, good to see another build from the Arno Dockyard, I like the Velarde with her lovely traditional hull shape, I will be following the build. ^^^
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Hi Arno
Thanks for the Proxxon information. I already have a Proxxon mini drill and vice which are of very good quality. I might be tempted by the sander :)
Presumably you have seen the photoship web site three photos of Velarde
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20V/index3.html (http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20V/index3.html)
Robin
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Hi Robin,
I have some Proxxon tools as well (a mini drill and a bigger sander). For modelling they are fine.
Thanks for the link with photos of the Velarde. They will be of great help. You never can have enough of pics for a build, I suppose. So far I had only found the following:
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1403418
http://7seasvessels.com/category/cargo-vessels-over-4000-tdw/cargo-vessels-over-4000-tdw-v/page/2/
Regards
Arno
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Hey Arno, happy new year to you. Great to see another build from you. Looks like its coming along nicely. You always do some amazing building. Look forward to following this build. ^^^ ^^^
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Thanks a lot for your kind comments. Today I have finished the deck supports. I decided to add some ramin supports in the "old fashioned" way were the three hatches will be. I felt this adds a lot of extra strength to the hull and deck (I always tend to building "for eternity" ;D). At the sides I used the styrene supports that come with the kit. The wooden supports were made waterproof by applying aliphatic resin with a brush.
The styrene tubes will carry the anchor chains later.
I glued the deck with cyano glue (thick type). Some photos will follow when the sides of the hatches have been glued to their supports. :)
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The hull is nearly finished now. The support stanchions at the inside of the bulwarks and the lines at the hatches were made from 1 mm micro strip. The front hatch has to be bent to follow the deck line. You have to be very careful here - my first attempt made one side of the hatch crack. But I could repair it applying plastic glue and car filler :)
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looking very pretty ^^^
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I have started to build the superstructure which is a quite complex build compared to other kits. It is only a trial fit. Now I have to wait until the joints have set. Then the rounded front panel will be glued to the now open front and everything will begin to take shape. I hope to be able to do so next weekend ::DD
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Nice going Arno, you can already see her classic lines taking shape. :) ^^^
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Very nice construction Arno.
Robin
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Beautiful neat job
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I have completed the superstructure now. The Deans people have put a lot of brainpower into the construction of that one. Each of the three decks is a quite fragile construction. But when you glue them together the assembly gets very strong and stable in the end (a bit like a honeycomb construction with all those supports and frames inside). The kit is really fantastic. Now she looks like a ship :)
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Yes I thought she was going to be a nice one, :) lovely work Arno. ^^^
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Agreed a beautiful job. Got the feeling this one is one of DM's better kits :)
Robin
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^^^ Nice work Arno, she is looking good.
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Starting to look like a ship indeed. Nice classic lines to her. Great job, well done Arno. ^^^ ^^^
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Thank you all for the kind comments. Here are some more pics of the progress made. I have made the cargo derricks from carbonium tube to reduce the weight. The jumbo derrick will be connected by a ball joint to its base so that it will be moveable.
The radar mast is made from carbonium tube as well. Inside the tube will be a shaft (brass rod 0,8 mm) which will be connected to the geared motor shown at the pic.
I used small smd LEDs for the lights - position lights are red and green ones. At first I tried to put them into the white metal lamps that come with the kit but that was impossible as they are too small. The LEDs in the lights of the Samson posts were drilled into the metal parts.
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The anchor winch is a fine white metal assembly which comes withe the kit ^^^
I decided to build a searchlight although I don't know if the Velarde had one. Neither the plan nor the pics of the original (which have a very poor resolution) show a searchlight. I like sailing my ships in the dark so it was a must have for me. I used a power LED (3 mm, sunny white light). After the painting job I will put a glaze lens in front of the LED. The pic does not show its power - it lights a distance of several metres.
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Hey Arno, your build is coming together, looks great. ^^^ Like the idea of the search light. I too like to run my boats at night, lights are a must. Check on a few of the ships from our files around that time period and some of them show having a search light, some mounted center of the superstructure and others off to the side. I would think the Velarde would have one, but like you said there are not any good photos of her.
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This might be a "red herring" but there is a photo of a near sister Velazquez showing something looking like a search light port side top of the bipod mast. The link is for the web page showing a lot of ships with names "v.....". Scroll down for "Velasquez-3" (there is a typo on the web page as the name on the photo is actually "velazquez" (?)
In addition th ephoto "velarde -03" although from the starboard side has a hint of the same object on the port side of the bipod mast.
http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20V/index3.html
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Thanks for your support! @Robin: the kit provides a foghorn installed at the bipod mast. The photo of the Velazquez shows a searchlight at the bipod mast clearly. So the bipod mast would be the right place I think. But the problem with the model is that the bipod masts are made from resin and you cannot hide the leads inside. It would be easier to install the light at the top of the superstructure. I have not made up my mind yet.
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I see your problem. If it was my model I would assume the ship has a search light but like you said mount it on the superstructure. Who's to know? ;)
Robin
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I have made a decision and built a new searchlight that is mounted on the bipod mast. It makes more sense than mounting it on the superstructure where it produces shades from the masts and derricks I suppose that stand in the way at the Velarde. Without your link to the photos of the Velazquez I would not have done it that way, so thanks Robin ^^^ I used 0,1 mm lead and glued it to the underside of the ladder. The dark wire of the leds at the right are those of the deck lights. After painting the mast (brown) they will not be that prominent as they are now.
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Only glad to help a little bit. The search light looks good on the bipod mast. I knew you would come up with a cunning plan. :)
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I have started to do some stanchions. The stanchions are photo-etched parts that come with the kit. I used 0.5 mm brass rod for them. Drilling holes of 0.7 mm diameter into the deck allows you to put in the stanchions with their pins so that they will not move during the assembly.
I fixed the rod with pieces of self adhesive tape and then glued the rod to the stanchions using cyano glue. Having made that with several stanchions the whole thing gets very stable. I will remove the assemblies and paint them separately with my airbrush.
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Hello
the Velarde you build in this time is a very beautiful model.
I saw the kit in Dortmund an it´s my favourite model in the
next months.
I saw your pictures of the different building phases and I can only say
it´s top.
It will help me for the future when I get this kit.
I wish much success for the next steps and I'm glad to see
the next steps.
^^^ ^^^ ^^^Jochen
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Hi Jochen,
I bought the kit last year at the Dortmund show because I could not resist when I saw her classic lines. I am sure you will not regret your decision. Unfortunately I do not have much time for the build at the moment but I will continue to send some pics of my progress made.
I will install a smoke unit but as the funnel is not very big the smoke protruding from the small tube is not very intense. Nevertheless it was enough that my wife complained about the strange smell in the house ;D She thought something was wrong with my build ::DD :) ::DD
Regards
Arno
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oooohhh dear, bless her :D
give her my regards, and it was very nice to see the family in Dortmund this year.. ^^^
the build is coming along, we all know that some things take time, with such things like Work getting in the way.. :P
I have the same problem, lucky for those that are retired, some times I wish I was..
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The only trouble with retirement is you are normally OLD :(
Great build Arno ^^^
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I began to make the awning stanchions from 1.2 mm brass rod. I took the measurement from the deck and transferred it to a piece of paper which I fixed at a piece of wood later. Then I drilled holes and used that as a template during soldering. It worked better than I had assumed before :)
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The masts are ready. I used Tamiya acrylics applied with my airbrush. The deck lights have small smd leds inside. The search light is scratch built. I used glue 'n glaze by Deluxe materials for fixing the lens. This special glue is transparent when dried and leaves no traces at the lens. Inside is a 3 mm power led.
The flag is from BECC. I folded the flag four times in my fingers which produces a realistic "flying" effect. The photo does not show that adequately :-[
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coming along nice Arno.. ^^^
is that flag on silk or paper..?
there is a chap that lives near Mr Dean, that does Scale Flags on Silk.. have a look at the following photo for contact info..
all of the Flags that I now fly are made by him..
http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;pic=1071 (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;pic=1071)
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Hi Colin,
the flag is made of very fine cotton. Thanks for the link - I will have a look at that :)
I hope to be able to put my Velarde into the bath tub next weekend and see if she needs any ballast. Then I will prepare her for the paint job (not my favourite I must confess).
Kind regards
Arno
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The man with the flags is Mr. Allsop from Grantham. I could not find a website of Mr. Allsop but found his address in the internet. I will write him a letter and ask if he can send me flags for my next project....If you use them they cannot be bad, Colin :) :wink1: :)
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he can make any flag and in any size you would like.., up to and including Din A4...
of course he has all the standard flags and sizes..
for one of my Models... the Furie, I made my own Flag up, from the normal flag of Massluis and placed the Coat of Arms on top... this can be seen in my Build thread of that Model...
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looks fine :) I will need an Italian naval ensign (standard) and a burgee of the Guardia di Finanza (seen nowhere else so far). I hope he will do that for me and send him prints.
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Airfield Velarde, primer applied ;D
The bath tub test showed that I can run her with smoke unit and two Lipo batteries, Nimh batteries would be too heavy.
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...paint job done... :) :smiley1: :)
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Looking very nice, Arno!
The green boot top looks very crisp, not an easy one to mask off cleanly. Just bear in mind, that the model should be ballasted down, close to the top of the green boot top. Around 1-2mm showing above water.
Regards
Ian
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It looks great!!!
I allways enjoy new pictures from this wonderful model.
I think the pictures will help me and other persons a lot when they start this kit.
Well done.
Regards
Jochen
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yup... its the beeees and eeees.. ^^^
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Hi chaps,
thanks a lot for your kind words ::DD
@Ian: the water line is about 2 mm below the upper top of the boot line. I checked that in my bath tub test before. I will use 2 lipo batteries (one for the motor and the other one for the smoke unit) plus a small battery for the receiver. That brings her down to the right level. Masking the boot top was easier than masking the round edges at the superstructure in my opinion. For the boot top I used 3M lining tape which is made from polyvinyl and can be bent very smooth around the edges. For the superstructure I used Tamiya masking tape cutting the round edges with a scalpel.
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Some detailing added......
35 degrees outside at the weekend and 23 degreees in the cellar so some progress was possible :wink1:
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Yesterday she made her maiden voyage. Everything worked fine. I was surprised that you can turn her nearly on the spot even without a bow thruster. The life boats are still missing (none of my ladies helped sewing the covers so far.. :() I have put some figures on the deck as I do not like ghost ships.
I enjoyed this build very much. Running at scale speed she looks impressive on the water. :)
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Beautiful job, Arno!
A nice build log is always good for others to follow. Well done. I hope she gives many years of trouble free sailing!
She looks very good on the water too!
Ian
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Thanks Ian for your input into this kit! Another pic with higher resolution...
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Nicely done Arno, another amazing build from you. ^^^ Looks at home on the water. Well done indeed.
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I have finished the lifeboats at last. None of my ladies (got three of them!) was willing to sew the covers ???so I took a needle and a thread and taught myself some sewing skills :wink1:
I made a template for the covers and cut them from an old handkerchief. Each thread was fixed by two knots secured with a small amount of superglue and then cut the rest of the thread.
The boats are glued to the back of the davits by epoxy glue so that they are fixed when sailing the model.
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shame on the Girls, I think I will have to tell them off the next time I see them ;D ;D
but all looks really effective, grand job done.. ^^^
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Yes Colin, please do it at the Dortmund show :) :)The positive effect is: from modelling I not only learned soldering, glueing and painting but at last sewing as well :wink1: :wink1:
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Fantastic build. Thank you for the building info and superb photos as I have purchased two of this kit. One I will build standard while the other I will modify in looks slightly. I have never built anything using a grp hull before so I also purchased a Timrix to learn with. I have been modelling since about 1958 so this will be interesting to say the least.
Unfortunately as we aren't having any days under 40 C in the foreseeable future, it will be some time before my builds begin.
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Hi Hueycrewman,
thanks a lot for your kind words. I will do some rigging this weekend and then my Velarde will be finished completely.
As you are an experienced modeller you will have no problems with the grp hulls. The ones from Deans are of superb quality and need only minor work (i.e. trimming the edges). In my opinion grp hulls are the best for models (lightweight but yet very rigid and can easily be painted compared to wood).
If you come across any problems feel free to ask. I enjoyed building the Velarde very much. I would not recommend the kit for a beginner who has never done a kit before. But you are experienced and build the Timrix first so surely will make a success out of your kits. Please post some pics here later :)
Regards
Arno
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Life boats look great!!! This build is sure to be a show stopper.. ^^^ :)
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I have finished my Velarde today by adding the missing rigging of the masts.
Sailing her is impossible at the moment as the pond is still frozen....
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great looking model where did you get the figures from
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Hey Arno, well done. Another fine build from you. Hope you post some pics of her on the water. ^^^ ^^^
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Thank you for the kind words.
The figures are made by Preiser. They are not the right scale (1/87th instead of 1/96th) but you can hardly recognize the difference.
Have a look here for instance:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Preiser-10423-H0-Arbeiter-mit-Schutzkleidung-6-Figuren-handbemalt-Neu-/232212103631?hash=item3610eb81cf:g:QbsAAOxy9eVRQeLu
and
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Preiser-10037-H0-Autokran-Personal-6-Figuren-handbemalt-Neu-/361883351475?hash=item5441edb9b3:m:mXr969nHChIuyspcZK12Qjw
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the figures that i have use are from Preiser (non paited) like the ones in the link below, most people know this name from model railways, they also do some 1:100 scale figures as well, some ready painted some not!
if you google with this search option you will find a few shops in the UK that sell these figures:
"Preiser detailed-figures 1:100"
https://www.preiser-figuren.de/massstab_suche,1:100
mainly used in Architecture offices?
order numbers from Preiser:
74090, 190 pices unpainted, allsorts
74009, 6 pices painted (orange) mechanics
some shops do the unpainted ones in groups of six, like this german shop for example!
this is were i got my figures from:
3 figures came from part no. 124501
2 figures come from part no. 124510
3 figures come from part no. 124529
the rest landed in the bin..!!!
http://www.modulor.de/shop/oxid.php/sid/x/shp/oxbaseshop/cl/details/anid/TLGM/pgNr/2
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Hello everybody.
I don't know if I'm doing this correctly, I have just joined the Forum as I have recently purchased a Velarde kit.
I have been a modeller for many years and am now semi retired.
Does anyone have any tips or traps in the building process for Velarde? I am a little daunted at the moment with doing all the cutouts in the hull, however will follow the build instructions as far as drilling around them first and then using a cutting disc and grinder to finish. Does anyone have any advice as to how to proceed with this critical first stage?
Cheers Tom
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Hi Tom,
I have not built the Velarde, but I would imagine it's much like any other kit, and the procedure/process is much the same...
I think the Velarde kit has laser cut plastic, all of the edges need cleaning/sanding to remove the laser cut gloss (burnt) before glueing..
As for drilling holes in fiberglass.. I personally drill a hole that is at least 2 times smaller than the hole required, then open it out with a very fine files..
Because the fiberglass is prone to chip when drilling or using corse files..
I would only use a sanding/cutting disc, or grinder if the hole when finished would be twice the size of the grinder/sanding disc..
Having said that, if for example the freeing ports were 1cm x 2cm I would used a small drill and drill lots of little holes around the marked area, staying well within the marked area, then with a fine file open the hole to the required size..
This is the way I would do it.. others might have other ways..
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I did it the same way as Colin has explained. All of the openings you can see at the first batch of photos in this thread were made using this method: first drill some small holes and then open it using very fine files. It takes some time but is well worth the effort as you can be sure that the edges will not chip.
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Thank you for your replies.
swiftdoc your Velarde looks beautiful and it's just going to be a case of slow and steady.
Thanks again
Kind regards
Tom