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Title: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 07 January 2012, 15:06:43
Hi and a happy new year to you all,
I started the build of my deans solebay Nov 2011, I've build many other r/c models,boats,planes,hellys etc. but have always fancied building a sizable warship that would take a considerable time to build, well I'm retired now so I thought now's the time, I had seen some of the Deans warships on other forums and thought what  authentic looking models they make.
I liked the looks of Cossack or Solebay, and was looking up the history of destroyers in general and HMS Solebay kept cropping up and this got me interested in her,When the kit arrived I found it quite impressive the hull in particular was light yet strong with the plating and other details, plus a LOT of parts and fittings it also looked quite a daunting task, well I'm about six weeks into the build now and finding it very enjoyable the fitting of the propshafts and running gear, r/c gear etc. was standard procedure for any model, but I had no experience with plastic sheet construction, but got the hang of it very quickly. I did find some printed sheet parts missing from the kit if this happens to you don't worry, Deans are a very obliging bunch and sent me the missing parts.
The build will take me a long time and I'll post photo updates as it progresses for anyone who may be interested
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: colin on 07 January 2012, 15:33:46
Hi Joe,
first of all welcome to the forum, and i hope you enjoy your Build.

as for taking ones time, i have just noticed its taken me the best part of three years to Build my HMS Inflexible (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/index.php?topic=144.0), and it took round about 2 years to complete my Liz Terkol (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/index.php?topic=51.0), the only one that i managed to build in less than a year was my wife's SS Furie (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/index.php?topic=66.0)

what am i trying to say, all good things takes time....  ^^^  ^^^  and yes of course please post your photo's as your build progresses.  :)  :)

Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 07 January 2012, 17:25:04
Thanks for the welcome Colin, yes I agree with you I was guessing at least a year of enjoyment, things like holidays,shopping etc. get in the way,  lol. you have some fine looking models there.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: karlgalster on 08 January 2012, 11:40:29
Hi Joe,
Glad you are enjoying your build. I only really had time to build RC boats when I took early retirement. My HMS Kelly took 500 hours and Z37 750 hours to build. I am of course not the fastest of builders ;D  Even a small plank on frame model I have just finished has taken 300 hours to complete. Great retirement hobby. :)

looking forward to your build log as you progress.
Robin
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 09 January 2012, 10:01:22
Hi Robin
Yes it's great to now have the time to build something slowly, when I was at work I tended to rush models a bit because I had limited time to build them,at that time I would not have attempted to build a model like Solebay, I have to be careful though as I lose all track of time when working on it and forget to do the things that she who is all powerful has asked me to do, LOL.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 10 January 2012, 22:03:08
Aft deck and galley fitted, and started the superstructure modules,  I like the fact that nothing fits together like a jigsaw puzzle and you have to work each piece to make it fit and "look right" it is a real model makers kit,
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: colin on 11 January 2012, 08:46:33
coming along grand  ^^^  ^^^

theres nothing like a bit of real modelmaking  :D  :D

Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 14 January 2012, 18:46:30
Just an update, progressing slowly, fore deck fitted, break water and forward deck detail, bridge base module started
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: Tommydean on 15 January 2012, 02:54:42
wow very nice job ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: karlgalster on 15 January 2012, 10:07:44
Nice work Joe. I notice you have some fittings in place. Are they just placed temporarily for photos or do you intend painting them in situ?
Robin
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 15 January 2012, 11:17:23
Hi Robin
Yes the fittings are fixed I dicided rightly or wrongly to do this and spray primer coat, and hand paint the finishing coats and pick out the fittings etc. I'm not a great fan of spray painting and hope I can get a reasonable finish with a soft brush.
Joe
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: karlgalster on 15 January 2012, 12:55:09
Hi Joe
Compleat opposite myself- everything that can be air-brushed is sprayed. Most fittings airbrushed off the model in vast batches. Reason - not good enough myself to get a good finish with hand brushing - only wish I could as it would save a lot of work. :-[   Only thing I hand brush are decks which have features too difficult to mask such as bulwark supports etc. I then use multiple layers of very thin paint.
Robin
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: colin on 15 January 2012, 18:19:47
Doing a grand job there  ^^^

i used to do a bit of both, some parts sprayed and some parts with a brush....  ::DD

but now i tend to do a lot of Hand painting by brush, and then the finishing satin varnish coat gets sprayed, this way one looses all the brushing marks, and a protective coat  8)  8)
i do try and paint subassemblies and fittings before final assembly on the model.

my SS Furie and HMS Infelxible have been painted this way... as can be seen in there respective threads

Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 15 January 2012, 19:17:40
Hi Colin
If your HMS Inflexable is mostly hand painted then that will do for me, ^^^ I thought I'd be better off doing something I'm comfortable with,I don't have an airbrush and I have found car sprays are inclined to be a bit heavy for scale models, so I'll try acrylic thinned so it wont dry to fast, I'll try on some scrap first.
Joe
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: Tommydean on 16 January 2012, 02:21:24
how does the acrylic paint hold up to water environment?      a couple guys over here used some of the acrylics on there sub models and said they had to repaint due to the water having an adverse affect on the paint job. i would think you guys have some different paints to choose from over there. i found humbrol brushes on good but dont know if its a prefered paint buy you guys. I myself love the airbrush
and only use the brush when i have to.
  Tom
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 16 January 2012, 11:05:53
Hi Tom
Humbrol and mantua range of acrylic paints are formulated for plastic kits including boats and is impervious to water once completely dry,and can be used with airbrushes when thinned with water and of course the cleaning of equipment is much easier,you can make washes with them for weathering etc. which you can wipe off with a damp cloth before it dries if you're not happy with the result,, check out www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk (http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk) they stock both, I have used these paints on various models including my scratch built pilot boat that is quite old now but still performs very well and have had no problems.
Joe
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: Tommydean on 17 January 2012, 08:07:27
dident know Humbrol made acrylic's. the humbrol paint i have been using for the past forty od years was cut with enamel paint thinner thats why i like airbrushing it so much the acrylics i have found over here dont airbrush or brush very well.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 20 January 2012, 18:57:28
Tackled the anchor hawsers today, a plastic drinking straw was just the job, and I'm quite happy with the result, also did a bit more to aft deck and drilled the portholes in the hull.
a very enjoyable build just hard enough to be challenging, 
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: karlgalster on 21 January 2012, 11:02:26
Real hawse pipes - well done Joe - enhances the model no end. Anchors actually held in place by the anchor chains presumably. Excellent. ^^^
Robin
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 21 January 2012, 13:07:39
Thanks Robin.
yes anchors held in by the chain and maybe a spot of glue to be on the safe side not enough chain in the kit so I'll have to get some somewhere. Joe
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: colin on 21 January 2012, 14:09:44
have to agree with Robin..  ^^^

grand job your doing there Joe  :)
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: Tommydean on 22 January 2012, 05:39:03
yha and the stearn work is very nice ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 23 January 2012, 19:33:55
Thanks guys, I primed the hull and decks yesterday and I'm leaving it to harden for a few days, so today I'm continuing with the bridge assembly.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 27 January 2012, 17:51:49
Wind breaks were very fiddly but I didn't do too bad, quite satisfied with result, bridge is progressing quite well, I think I'll start the mid ships Assembly's next so I can bring them all on together.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 30 January 2012, 11:21:56
Hi, I am watching with intrest as I have just retired too from the (Army and Motor trade) too and have just ordered the same ship.  I was a Young boy in Malta when she was stationed  in Malta and saw her when she bent her nose!   I hope to start my built in the next few months and would gladly receive any build tips and advise on the build you may have.   I have built one other boat the 1/32 scale KD Perkasa by Precedent back in the 90's and had lots of fun then.  She had a single drive motor and is now under refit and having it removed and upgraded to two 600 motors and new deck /superstructure too.  so plenty to get on with.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 30 January 2012, 19:01:08
Hi Paul
I absolutely love building this ship,I have seen and read a lot about HMS Solebay and this somehow adds enjoyment to the build, and Solebay was built the same year as I was born.
I'm sure you will also enjoy building this kit, If I had any advise it would be to check for any missing parts it does happen but Deans are great at replacing them, read the instructions thoroughly and  use them as a guide rather than a bible, this kit lends its self well to your own interpretation,I found the full size plans more help, also when you cut the parts from the plasticard cut them as large as you can and then trim to fit, If I had cut some of the parts to the line they would have been too small.
Paul I would be most interested to hear what you think about your kit when you get it.

I'm painting my hull now and leaving each section a couple of days to harden so I don't have any mishaps with the masking tape, and working on the sub Assembly's in between, the midships staag is almost done and I have made the engine room air intakes operational I know there is probably no need but I thought why not.
Joe
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: colin on 31 January 2012, 06:08:47
with all these nice Builds of Warships, you chaps might get me to build one... at sometime...  ::DD  :o

Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 31 January 2012, 08:56:39
Go on Colin build one, you know you want to.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 02 February 2012, 00:03:35
When I looked at the funnel vacuforms I thought may be I'll shell out 9 pounds and get one from John Haynes, then I thought no I'll have a go and see what I can do with it, and with a bit of care it actualy makes quite a decent funnel.
She's starting to look like a warship.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: colin on 02 February 2012, 09:36:27
miracles can happen when a little time and patients are applied...  ^^^

you might be right Joe... i have a Pelorus Class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelorus_class_cruiser) on the drawing board, and the H.M.S. Enchantress (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/shop/product_info.php/cPath/81/products_id/2440) would also be an option...    ::)  8)

Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 02 February 2012, 10:04:32
A WW1 pelorus cruiser that would be awsom at 1:96 I'm guesing that would be about 5ft ?
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: colin on 02 February 2012, 10:19:27
not quite Joe

Length: 300 ft (91.4 m)  at a scale of 1:100 (close enough to 1:96) would make her 914mm (close on 3 feet..)

Mouldeans have a Hull HMS Pegasus  (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/shop/product_info.php/cPath/26_33/products_id/551)
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 02 February 2012, 12:25:35
Quite right Colin, the Pelorus class was actually 75 ft shorter than Solebay, I was basing my guess on the WW2 cruisers that were 70 odd ft. longer than Solebay.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 03 February 2012, 15:34:47
Well Joe, its has arrived and I have had a good look at her.   The plans could be better not a lot of detail but I could go and get the real once.   The hull will require a bit of trimming.  Got the CD with all the pictures and drawings.   Will take my time in checking all the parts, and reading the instructions.  1st job though make a nice stand for her so that I can work on the hull.   Will not be starting till March or April and will then do as you have done load pictures of the build and hope I get a good result.  Paul
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 03 February 2012, 19:15:55
Hi Paul
As for the plans you have to use a bit of logic and intuition, I think with Deans kits you never get two of the same model finished identical everyone seems to do a bit of their own thing, but they do make into a extremely nice model and as I said before do challenge you, which I like. I always make a box type cradle with rope handles so you can carry transmitter and bits and bobs under the boat, I have also made a pair of slings to place boat in and out of the water (saves a lot of bending) I look forward to your build log.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 05 February 2012, 12:59:55
I've had the mast on my mind lately as soldering is not one of my strong points,so I thought I'd tackle it today and get it over, one way or another, well I managed to make a reasonable job of it so I can now forget about the mast until it's time to fit it to the boat.
Done a bit more to the funnel and the Q deck assembly is progressing quite well.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 05 February 2012, 13:23:12
Well you have done a great job on the mast so far, its looking good for some one has said he can not solder.  When I read some of the instruction saw I needed so more tools!  The funnel is real nice. 
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: karlgalster on 05 February 2012, 13:32:38
Yes, the soldering of the mast looks very good.  :)
Robin
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 07 February 2012, 11:13:28
I thought I'd do a bit more to the mast so I can prime it with the other Assembly's, which are just about ready to be primed/painted, but before that I'm going to assemble and pre fit the main gun turrets.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: Rene on 07 February 2012, 12:14:04
The Solebay is getting shape, looks very nice.

Rene
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: colin on 07 February 2012, 15:10:10
i think you can be quite proud of your self there Joe..  :)  ^^^

Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 07 February 2012, 21:00:00
Thanks for all the encouraging comments guys ^^^, I did the 4.5"turrets today and have temporarily fitted them, I thought I would mount them so they could be turned by hand, then I found a spare micro servo in my odds and ends box and I'm using a 6 channel radio so I made the bridge deck turret r/c, and was thinking of a way of linking the fore deck turret mechanically, then it dawned on me a second micro servo and a Y lead would be the simplest way and turn them in tandem or use another channel and turn them independently.I'll decide later when the extra bits arrive. Next job is to prime/paint all the sub assembly's
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: Rene on 08 February 2012, 10:00:08
Very nice idea of the turrets.
It's an interesting subject, so i'd like to make the turrets movable in the future as well. I keep on follow this.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 08 February 2012, 10:23:25
Hi Rene.
This is typical of me I get an idea when working on a model and the idea grows and I just have to make it happen, the bridge deck turret was quite simple as it was easy to get at, the fore deck one is going to be a bit tricky fitting the arm etc. to the under side of it but I will do it.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 10 February 2012, 14:28:00
She got her bottom wet yesterday, I felt I had enough of the bulky items on board to test the water line so I placed her in the bath and she sat square in the water with the surface of the water at the bottom of the boot topping aft, and the bow about 6 to 7mm higher, with the batteries at midships and the running gear aft of that it was predictable, adding several pieces of lead the bow came down to the bottom of the boot topping, the amount of lead is 3/4 lb. and luckily I had a lead ingot of that weight which keeps it tidy now its inside the bow and should help to dampen the bow movement. so I have to say that Deans got the water line on the plans spot on.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 14 February 2012, 20:43:35
I've been wondering how to do the walkways as two of them link structures that are removeable separately, my solution was to glue the aft walkway to the aft gun deck and form a slot on the aft of the centre gun deck, as the aft gun deck is held down with elastic band, you can lift it and slid it aft to disengage the walkway and then turn it 90 degrees, this allows the centre structure to be lifted and slid backwards and off the boat, The middle walkway is glued between two fixed structures so no problem, the forward walkway is glued to the forward gun deck, and a bracket glued to the funnel, so it slides off the galley roof as the centre structure is removed.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 19 February 2012, 16:39:46
Painted most of the deck area and installed the anchors , there wasn't enough chain with the kit and as I was considering an email to Deans when the wife came up with a length of old chain she had in her jewellery box it was very near to scale and it only cost me a cup of tea and yes it is real gold, the value of the boat just went up, lol. Next I'll be priming the superstructures but first I have decided to glue some microstrip around the forward bridgedeck similar to the gunwalls I think this will give a good line to finish the green deck, I ordered some more microstrip from Deans Friday morning and knowing Deans it will be here Monday.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: colin on 19 February 2012, 17:56:55
the way you solved your walk ways, is very similar to the way, it is described in the .... HMS Inflexible instructions as can be seen in my build (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/index.php?topic=144.msg1206#msg1206) bottom right corner photo, lip sticks out, and the walk way slots onto that....

as for the rest of your build, She is looking very nice  ^^^  ^^^

i always have a spare stock of Microflat and Microstrips i tend to use a lot of the stuff  :)  :wink1:
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 24 February 2012, 18:48:16
I also got another stanchion/rail etching from Deans as I wanted to make sure I had enough to fit rails both sides of the walkways, the plan only shows it one side, and although they didn't have the the health and safety rules we have today back in 1945 I cant imagine they would not have had rails both sides, just a small detail but it pleases me. Now in the process of priming/painting all superstructures.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: mikearace on 24 February 2012, 21:47:48
Looking better all the time Joe.  You are right about the stanchions.  Often the stanchion rail was only on the outboard side and nothing on the inboard. 
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: karlgalster on 25 February 2012, 11:04:51
Looking really impressive. By the way I don't suppose you have any more gold you would like to exchange for a cup of tea? :wink1:
Robin
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 25 February 2012, 12:30:11
Hi Robin,  I'll ask the wife if she has any more hidden away lol.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 25 February 2012, 14:21:12
Hi Joe,

She is lookin very smart indeed, I have been reading the Battle class Destroyers by Patrick Boniface and none of the ships built seem to have the stanchions on both sides of the walk way.  The walk way looks OK with both side, but I will do jut the one side as I am sure some Navy bod will point it out when he views the model.  But very impressed with the quality of build.  Have my own Dremel but made by JBC and she its very nice tool to have.

Paul.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 25 February 2012, 16:19:48
Hi Paul, yes I'm sure you are right about the stanchion rails, that's the trouble with working in Portsmouth dock yard the last few years before retirement, you had health and safety rules morning noon and night, I guess I got carried away on the model LOL.
most of the painting of the superstructure is complete, now to start the super detailing, been looking forward to this bit I think it's what brings the ship to "life".
done another float test with 420g of extra ballast on board as I want to eventually fit a smoke generator and a whooper module and this would probably require another battery, I don't think I can go much over the 420g or just under 1lb.as she is right on her water line,
the whooper wouldn't be a problem on it's own as I could use a 9 volt small battery for that but the smoke gen is a different story, I'll have to look onto it a bit further.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 28 February 2012, 21:08:56
I've assembled all her staag's and bofors and dc racks, also most of her other fittings. It wasn't that obvious how the bofors were meant to be built and there was some very small pieces broken off the bases, but I know what a bofors gun looks like so I just did what thought looked right,and I added a few bits of scrap to the twin staag's to make them, not necessarily authentic, but a bit more interesting, every thing is on double sided tape and ready for spraying and have just started making the torpedo stations.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: mikearace on 28 February 2012, 22:18:42
For 1/96th scale they look as close as you can expect I think Joe.  The main bit extra was was radar direction mount which you have in place.
The STAAGs were slightly different to the earlier Battle's Hazemeyer which had the radar director resembling a tv type aerial.

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_4cm-56_mk12_pics.htm (http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_4cm-56_mk12_pics.htm)
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 28 February 2012, 23:41:39
Thanks for the link Mike , as you said close enough for 1:96
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 04 March 2012, 13:20:46
All her armaments are now on board, and the davits, hoists etc. and D C s aft deck, can not believe how quick she is advancing now, just her main stanchions and ships boats to do really, so I guess sea trials are not that far off, though I will wait for a perfect day with no wind and the lake like a mill pond, that could be quite a while, but to be fair I was down there with the dog last week and it was close to those conditions.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: Tommydean on 05 March 2012, 03:49:33
wow nice build...ten and twelve hour days at work are keeping me out of the basement :(
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: karlgalster on 05 March 2012, 08:58:59
Nice neat build - very quick too. Have you thought about some 1/96 crew members from Deans Marine? Certainly adds that final touch. ^^^
Robin
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 05 March 2012, 09:10:01
Had not thought about crew, that sounds like a good idea, I am going to fit a whoofer siren, but I think I'll leave out the smoke gen on this one Another large battery will be too heavy, with hind sight I should not have glued the lead ballast in the bow and I won't risk damaging the hull getting it out, but apart from that I'm well pleased with the build.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: Tommydean on 06 March 2012, 08:05:19
I have used double sided foam tape and never permanantly glue balast (weight) to the inside of the hull because removing and replacing components throw of the models trim.    do smoker units use up alot of battery power?
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 06 March 2012, 11:27:15
Yes good idea about double sided tape for ballast think that's what I'll do in future, smoke generators by nature of being a heating coil do require a lot of power and tend to be 12 volt so a lead/acid or a large capacity nimh battery would be required for any duration of smoke.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: Tommydean on 07 March 2012, 05:01:56
dident know they used up alot of power..the only thing i dont like about smokers is when the smoker is on the smoke "drissels" out and looks like a lite cigarette in an ash tray. i havent figured out how to "mix" the air with smoke to make it look more realistic..any sugestions?
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: colin on 07 March 2012, 09:55:16
just a reminder of this thread... Smoke (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/index.php?topic=83)
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 07 March 2012, 10:22:33
I know the ones your talking about Tom,usually you have to put a few drops of fluid in the top frankly not worth fitting, the ones I mean have a 10 mil reservoir and do produce a lot of "smoke" that is why they need a lot of power I have found two  one from Hunter systems which you could add a computer cooling fan, and one from Marks model bits that has a fan built in.
I am however wondering if it is really worth the hassle from what I've seen of naval ships they don't actually produce that much smoke anyway unless they are "steaming hard" or of course they want to "make smoke".
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 11 March 2012, 10:49:12
Well just about finished, It was quicker than I first thought it would be, about half the time in fact but I guess being retired had some thing to do with that, and building her over the winter I could spend a few hours nearly every day, I estimate about 350 to 400 hours.
I have ordered some 1:96 crew from Deans one pack of 12, may be a bit sparse for a 4 foot model I'll see how it looks, also making a few flags.
I can not imagin not building another Deans ship, my problem now is which one, I had this on my mind a couple of weeks ago while watching TV, when guess what the film The Yangtze Incident  came on, I kid you not, I thought this must be an omen as a hour before I had been looking on Deans web site at "you guessed it" HMS Amethyst I thinks she would complement HMS Solebay quite nicely, Would like to hear your thoughts about Amethyst.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: mikearace on 11 March 2012, 13:17:27
Nothing wrong in Amethyst as a build.  Have seen a few around the clubs and very nice they are and obviously Amethyst is full of history and lots of reference material out there.  However have you thought about Morecambe Bay or Loch Katrine?  The Bays and Lochs are just a lovely ship in my view and there doesnt seem to be as many of these around as the Amethyst and other builds of the Black Swans. The Lochs lasted well into the 60s just the same as the Battles did so a Loch would complement the Battle class whether its 50s or 60s.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 11 March 2012, 15:30:07
Yes you are quite right there is a lot of other interesting ships in the Deans range I'll have to give it some thought .
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: colin on 11 March 2012, 15:55:07
i would imagine from your words, is that your looking for another warship..??

my favorite Kit in the warship category (mid 1950's), has to be and will always be the Marvel or Bramble, because of the details on the stern of the ship.

or the prototype H.M.S. Enchantress, because of the paint schema.

by no means am i saying that the Amethyst, Bays or Lochs are not a good build...



Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: mikearace on 11 March 2012, 16:11:36
I would agree that the Algerines are very busy little ships with so much detail.  There is also lots of scope to vary them.  Some were fitted with twin squids in place of the 4inch gun  as stop gap ASW ships and a few other variations.  Lots of photos of these around and lots of scope for research through the Algerines association. 
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 11 March 2012, 17:59:03
Hi Joe,

Very nice build indeed, how did you get on with the micro servo for the second forward gun turret.   You have not said how you got round the problem.

Paul
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 11 March 2012, 18:05:47
Hi Joe,

My thoughts are on HMS Manxman she ran from the same period and lasted till the 70's, and as a mine layer being fast too the escort for her would be HMS Solbay.   That is what I would like if I make a good job of my build.
Paul
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 11 March 2012, 22:04:57
This is the second servo that operates the forward turret.forgot that one Paul, I've linked it with a Y lead to the other turret so they both turn in tandem, I'm thinking they would probably have trained both turrets on the same target to maximize effect. Thanks guys for all the suggestions I've looked at all the ships you mention and they have all got something of interest if money was no object I'd build the all of them, Hope to get solebay on trials next week to see how she performs, I have a feeling I may fit a w tail mixer, from what I've heard a rudder between two props is not that good in scale, we will see.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: Manxman1831 on 12 March 2012, 12:21:14
I don't think you'll have too many problems with the rudder, unless you intend competing on one of the insanely tight courses that get laid out occasionally.  My Cossack turns quite nicely with about half power ahead and full lock.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 12 March 2012, 14:24:56
Your quite right Manxman, the weather conditions this morning could not have been better I got to the lake and it was like a sheet of glass,not a breath of wind and sunny, I lowered Solebay into the water with the slings I made a few months ago they made it so much easier , and proceded with a few tentative manovers, she turned in about one and a half times her length with 1/3 throttle and hard over and with just the right amount of the classic warship lean out. I then did some straight runs at full ahead and she is fast, cuts through the water like a hot knife through butter A nice clean bow wave and not much wake, she took everything I threw at her, full throttle figure of eights turns, fast runs up and down the lake about 100 yards, full ahead to full astern, she well exceeded my expectations.
and after all that cruised around for 55 minutes and the batteries still showed no sign of running out, to summarise after a very enjoyable build her performance was the icing on the cake.
I read Deans instructions on producing flags using tissue paper and admit I was a bit sceptical , but did it anyway and have to say was quite pleased with the outcome.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: karlgalster on 12 March 2012, 14:39:50
In general a single rudder between two props does not scale down to models very well - perhaps HMS Cossack is the exception to the rule. My HMS Kelly with its original rudder had a poor turning circle so I had to fit a new overlarge rudder to improve things. Not completely convincing so yes perhaps you might have to resort to independent drives for each prop. Z38 on the other hand has the rarity for a destroyer of twin rudders and is reasonably manouverable despite its length. Good enough for steering regattas in any case. Used it last year with some success. Will be using HMS Kelly this year despite its inferior handling. The only real positive for a destroyer in steering competitions is its narrow beam. You can at least work out the best straight line course thru an obstacle :smiley1:
Robin
PS Glad you enjoyed your first sail - looks very nice on the water.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: colin on 12 March 2012, 16:28:44
yup she does look nice...  ^^^
and the Flags turned out very good as well  ^^^

hope to she her at the Deans Open days
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: mikearace on 12 March 2012, 20:34:28
Well done Joe.  Nice on the water.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 12 March 2012, 20:39:27
Joe,

When I got my kit I ordered two speed controllers, so that each engine is controlled through a Mixer which the engines controlled by the rudder.  As I turn to port the mix reduces the power to the in board motor and the ship turns very well.   I used the same set up on my Perkasa with three 480 motors and two rudders.  The Mixer can take three ESC and controlls the power to the motors when turning.  Hope this helps with your Ship.   Paul
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 12 March 2012, 23:29:09
I had considered a mixer or separate control of motors but after trials today I'm more than happy with the setup IE. two esc's on one stick the turns look natural and right for a 4 foot model.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 15 March 2012, 17:33:00
Put some crew on board just for that final touch, and she has her commissioning pennants so I consider her well and truly commissioned, IE. finished. I am going to think about the next Deans kit for a couple of months, and let the wallet recover a bit, Solebay turned out better than I had thought it would and I'm really looking forward to my next build,
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: Jeremy on 15 March 2012, 19:10:02
Good job ^^^I particularly like the crew. I think they make models come alive. Ive always tried to get people into my models. The hardest bit is finding the right people at the right scale. These look just right.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: alexanderb on 16 April 2012, 15:57:45
I have just started to build solebay. Problems from the start with templates. No drawing showing where they go by name. The instructions also give the impression they are used to make plywood templates, but then say plastic must be level with the line.
In one drawing showing templates they are nothing like the plastic templates. Is the " Iron Deck " the forward raised deck. A photo or drawing showing the templates in place would be very helpful. Can anyone help me Thank you alexanderb
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 18 April 2012, 13:41:41
Hi alexanderb.
Yes I know what you mean about the templates, you will find the aft one too big and the others not a good fit, I just used them to help make 3 mm plywood ones the main thing is to make sure you get a nice fair line along the hull at the edge to the deck when the ply formers are in place, Here are a few photos that should help you, I did not post them at the begining of this log, and if I can help you in anything else just let me know.  Joe
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: alexanderb on 18 April 2012, 16:36:52
Hi Joe
Thanks very much for your reply,the photo`s are great.The templates do go where I though, but they are such a bad fit I though I must be wrong.I feel a lot happier now.
                     Thank you once again Alexanderb :) :)
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 19 April 2012, 08:18:31
Hi Joe,  I am getting the paint together to do work as I go along.   I am going to use Humbrol and was wondering what was the paint make you used and what was the colour number of the grey you used for the hull and superstructure.   I see it was Matt and the instructions just say grey!  Sea Grey (27) in the humbrol range is too dark.   Your advise please?
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 19 April 2012, 16:28:47
Hi Paul
I used an acrylic grey spray primer from Halfords and let it cure for three days, and Humbrol acrylic paints to finish (brush on) two coats of each, the hull is 129 GULL GREY satin, the hull bottom is 70 BRICK RED matt,  which I think looks better than bright red ,  the iron deck is 53  GUNMETAL metallic, the forward and aft decks I mixed paint to look like redlead, the rest of the decks are 88 DECK GREEN matt, looks a bit dark when applied but looks right when dry,the black areas are 85 COAL BLACK satin, the walk way along the iron deck is a yellowy/brown mix to simulate matting, mine is a bit too light,  Humbrol acrylics applied with good quality soft brush didn't show any brush marks in the finish
hope this helps,       
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 20 April 2012, 13:47:15
Thanks for that Joe.   I want to See if I can get the Hombrol Acrylic water base colours so that I can use the airbrush and this will save thinners and other miss happs.   The very fine detail would i think be covered by the good old brush.   I am just primed my Perkasa after a refit from single drive motor and two 12 volt dry gel battery's to a three  480 engines with three ESC each with its own power supply 7.2 volts 3300mha, with a mixer and receiver.   Water tested  her and found to much weight to the rear so will have to move the battery's forward, then wire all together and then paint with the finish colours.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 20 April 2012, 16:08:51
Hi Paul.
I have two 4500mah 7.2volt batteries in solebay and my pilot boat both boats have been run for over an hour with no sign of battries running out , though I always wire them in a Y lead so they are both feeding the esc's at the same rate, as only one esc powers the receiver if that esc had it's own battery that battery could run low and shut down the model even though the other batteries still had power, but of course this is just my opinion.
Thinking of building MGB 77 similar in looks to Perkasa but quite a bit smaller, hope you are enjoying building Solebay.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: mikearace on 20 April 2012, 18:17:00
My HMS Yarmouth is powered exactly as Joe's although the batteries are 2600 but I dont ever sail a boat for more than 30 minutes in one go and it works fine.  The MA/SB is on a similar set up although with different motors.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: alexanderb on 11 May 2012, 17:52:54
Hi Joe
 I have another problem with the Solebay, I cannot see how the Mid hatch is waterproofed. Your photos look like you slide yours in ,but I cannot see how there is enough room to do this.
Thanks Alexanderb :o
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 12 May 2012, 12:57:31
yes know what you mean, the deck is not actually water proof at the mid section it just sits on a bearer strip around the deck opening and the walk way forms a cover for the join, the only bit that slides is the fore end that slides under the galley, having said that I have never had any water in solebays hull even doing full ahead hard turns, though I do tend to sail her in calm conditions, it dose not take much of a choppy lake to be storm conditions at 1:96 scale, hope this helps Alexanderb.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: alexanderb on 14 May 2012, 09:28:13
Hi Joe
Thanks for your answer. As I am not enjoying building this boat I have given up.
Thanks Alexanderb
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 14 May 2012, 19:54:18
sorry to hear that mate, perhaps you'll finish it sometime, because the finished model is very satisfying to sail
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: Tommydean on 16 May 2012, 09:29:28
Alexanderb there must be a model boat/ship club close to you that could help you out. when i was working in my basement i always found the work fun when one or two of the guys from the club came over. we would help each other out with problems that would come up in the build.
    Tom
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: mikearace on 16 May 2012, 14:51:08
Alex

Some Deans builds can be a bit confusing and conflict with the instructions or lack of them in some cases, but there is nothing that should put you off permanently.  Sometimes they just need to have a bit of thought applied and time away from the actual build to work it out in your head using the photo and to use the advice of those on here that have built the same model.  Have you got the CD of build pics?  If not that may help you.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: alexanderb on 16 May 2012, 16:30:46
Mike & Tommy
Thank you for your replies. It is the lack of instructions and drawings I am finding frustrating. IE the single 40mm Bo for, I have decided to do a Birmingham Small Arms ( Bits stuck any were) it looks OK even if it is wrong . There are so many photos of Bofors on the Web, all different, who will know. I have decided to carry on but to do my own thing and hope.
                                     Best Wishes Alex
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: mikearace on 16 May 2012, 20:41:46
http://www.flickr.com/photos/royjackward/3475627956/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/royjackward/3475627956/#)

They are MkVII bofors.

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_4cm-56_mk12_pics.htm (http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_4cm-56_mk12_pics.htm)

These might help.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: Tommydean on 17 May 2012, 08:27:31
like most world war II ships they were modified at many different times of the war and the equipment is no exception. i picked a cert in time during the war to model my javelin after. (Feb 1944) there was to many changes to the ship during the war, not to mention the paint job!      have you done a search of images on your ship? that could help alot!
The instructions and plan set; do you have them or are they just hard to make seance of? if you dont have either i would try to get some from Deans.
 this is what i get from the inst/plan set....and i hope this makes seance.... I had to start using the "forest through the trees" method if you know what i mean. 8) otherwise you start pulling your hair out.  give it another try it will work.
   Tom
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: alexanderb on 17 May 2012, 08:59:21
Hi Mike & Tommy
Thank you for your further assistance. When I was researching the Bofors I did not find the two sites you found. Each MK the parts are in a different place but mine has ended up just like a MKVII , a bit late but never mind. I do have the plans , the wrong numbering was not much of a problem but lack of instructions and drawings is. Radio Joe has given  very good information of the paint job.
                   Thanks once again Alex  :)
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 23 May 2012, 08:28:41
Tom is quite right, when the instructions from DM are a bit vague, you need to do reseach into the area that you find needs to be better explained.   Once you have found what you are looking for, post your findings on this site and it will help others who are or are thinking of building the same model.   I have found this site very useful.

Paul
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: colin on 23 May 2012, 18:38:34
a little off topic, but i am glad this site if of help for you Paul

that was the general idea of opening this forum, so that modelers can help other modelers that might be having Problems.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 22 July 2012, 16:08:20
Hi Joe,

Did you use anythink to set up the props on the hull of the Solbay.  Trying out some idea of a bracket down the hull center line with a cross section to hold the shaft in place, with a second cross section insode the hull.   Or would the one out side be OK with the propshafts restinging on the p frame.

Paul.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 22 July 2012, 19:29:41
Hi Paul  No didn't use any brackets I made sure the slots in the hull were quite a snug fit to the shafts, gradually elongating them until the shafts sat on the shaft brackets, then making sure they were parallel to the centre line held them in place with masking tape, then tacked them in place with fast set epoxy, removed the tape and checked they had not moved and bonded then in with epoxy.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 23 July 2012, 13:34:53
Hi Joe,  Thanks for that, I thought the bracket idea might be a step too far and if the plates where set up wrong not square and in line I would be making a bigger error.   So will try what you said.  Paul
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 20 January 2013, 23:19:47
Hi Joe, have asked you a question on My build of HMS Solebay?  Paul :(
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 02 February 2013, 16:04:28
Hi Joe,  Have just build the mast, but can find no reference to the length of the top cross bar for the flags.  I have taken the size from the length on the plans just in side the hull width 130mm.   Does that match with yours?
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 02 February 2013, 18:57:53
Hi Paul,  the crosstree on mine is 120mm. the same width as the two bofars stations, I thought I would keep it well inside the beam in case she ever got too close to the edge of the lake which has shear sides about a foot above the water, and it looks ok I think.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 03 February 2013, 11:43:08
Thanks Joe, I cut min 128 so that it remains within the beam of the ship which is 130.  Not good at solding so will try and get a good result.   Paul.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 19 March 2013, 15:19:30
Solebay back in the dock, Fitted some prop guards, to the best of my knowledge these were never fitted to the "battles" but I thought they would be a finishing touch and add a bit of interest to the stern.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 19 March 2013, 20:11:58
Refit time I see typical Navy, never get it wright first time have to spend pounds & pounds to look nice.  All joking aside yes it looks nice and just add that extra detail and a talking point. Paul ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 21 March 2013, 17:33:02
Just another finishing touch I've added Solebays crest to the cradle, and got one for Bramble when she's finished.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: colin on 21 March 2013, 19:20:28
very nice Joe..  ^^^

Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: mikearace on 21 March 2013, 19:26:16
Nice Joe.  A posh touch for Walpole Park?
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 27 March 2013, 13:52:39
Did the mod on the on/off switch today, instead of using a vent to disguise the switch, I used Colin's excellent idea of an ammo box that doesn't look out of place just about anywhere, I connected the switch and the ammo box with a brass pin so a small slot in the deck is all that was needed and the box slides fore and aft about 4mm. it works fine and will save a lot of fiddling at the lake.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 27 March 2013, 17:54:09
Very neat idea, will see what I can do on mine as I still have to bond the deck.   Got my thinking cap on! :police:
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: cabin boy on 10 April 2013, 16:29:40
Hi Joe can u help plse. On HMS Solebay there is an aerial on the Aft s/str crew shelter and the Midships Staag cannot find either in kit or any mention in instructions. Deans Marine Tech chap in Germany. Should they be in kit or do we make ourselves.  Many Thanks Clive
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 10 April 2013, 17:10:38
Hi Clive,  The rear mast on the two rear decks are made from materials you feel will fit the build.  In Joe's imago243 and 247 you will see what he used.   I am going to use some round styrene tubing and use a small size copper wire to slide inside to give it some strength, or you can use straight copper wire the same thickness as your cross section on the top of the main mast which too has to be supplied from your own building stock.   There is also a bar fitteed to the base of the main mast which the flags are secured too and this is not supplied too.

Have a close look at this link which will give you some pointers on your build. http://www.flickr.com/photos/92998762@N02/sets/72157632741849645/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/92998762@N02/sets/72157632741849645/)

All the best  Paul
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 10 April 2013, 18:15:03
Hi Clive, The aft mast is made from brass rod soldered to look like the one on the plan, the main mast and the ensign staff are made the same way,, you have to use a bit of imagination and intuition with detailing a Deans ship that's why I always keep some brass rod and microstrip of various sizes.
the aft mast should have cables running to it from the main mast, I decided to omit these as they would be a pain when removing batteries etc.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: cabin boy on 10 April 2013, 19:43:03
Thx Joe imagination is the word on this build, my first attempt at constructing a model ship. Thx for your photos and those of Pauls without which a sucessful build would have been so much more difficult perhaps impossible. Will get necessary materials and let u know how I get on Many Thx Clive
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: cabin boy on 10 April 2013, 19:51:24
Thx Paul, and thx for your photos. I started well after yourself and Joe so have not posted photos as yours and Joes are first class. Will post photo of finished ship. All the best for your build happy sailing. Many thx Clive
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 10 April 2013, 22:00:44
Hi Clive, Hope you continue to enjoy your build, if I can help with anything else feel free to ask,  regards Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: cabin boy on 13 April 2013, 21:23:09
Hi Joe and Paul, got brass rods and have done aerials. Whilst I had the soldering iron out I did the mast as well, and with the rod I had left over I was able to finish that as well. What a difference these items make to the look of the ship. Again many thx for your help much appreciated Clive
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: cabin boy on 27 April 2013, 10:31:39
Hi Joe, Hull, deck and all superstructures constructed and painted. Masts done thanks for advice. All other fittings painted ready for fitting. Now on construction of guns. Instructions and sketches not clear. Started with single Bofor, and there is a rectangular piece of metal in kit, can't establish where it fits. Can you please help by description or if you have the time some close up photos at different angles of this and the other guns( not the twin 4.5 turret). These are the last items to be constructed and it would be nice for once to do just that instead of lengthy battles in the mind as to which is the right way. You certainly have the bug, second model well under way and looking up to high standards as before. Whens this birthday, the day those special props arrive, good thinking hey. Thanks again for previous help, awaiting any help you can give. Many thanks Clive 
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 27 April 2013, 11:19:00
Morning Clive,  Glad to hear you have nearly completed your Solebay. look forward to seeing some photos when finished.  I am still away off.  Still working on the 4 inch guns to rotate and fitting in the battery charger system then my decks will be bonded in and the full paint job can start.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 27 April 2013, 19:04:56
Hi Clive,  Yes those single bofors are tricky, here's a couple of pics before painting that might help, you can also see the twin staag's these have been embellished with some scrap styrene  you can use a bit of modelers license throughout the build if you are happy with it that's the main thing.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: cabin boy on 28 April 2013, 08:55:27
Thx Joe you're a star, as a first time modeller your help is invaluable and very much appreciated Clive
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 28 April 2013, 10:01:40
No problem Clive, pleased if I have helped in any way, look forward to seeing your finished Solebay 
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: cabin boy on 30 April 2013, 14:19:19
Hi Joe, yes a photo of my finished model will be posted. This may seem a silly question, but I am having difficulty gluing the hard plastic gun moldings to the ordinary plastic and the metal items. Have the suggested glues and been to local hobby shop without success. What did you use. Your help as always will be much appreciated Many Thanks Clive
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: Manxman1831 on 30 April 2013, 14:36:28
I used ordinary superglue for building the guns and placing the fittings on Cossack.  A little patience was required for the barrels as I did not use the Deans insert behind the front of the shield for the 4.7"s.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: cabin boy on 30 April 2013, 16:16:48
Thx Petty Officer will give that a try. Clive
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 30 April 2013, 18:54:16
Hi Clive  I've used quite a few Cyanoacrylate glues and I've found that some are better than others, the one I always use now is ADMIRALTY GLUES professonal Cyanoacrylate medium for fixing fittings to deck etc. and thin for styrene superstructure joints using the capillary method, I also use the thin to fix deck supports and then back them up with epoxy. Admiralty glues are available from cornwallmodelboats.com
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: cabin boy on 30 April 2013, 19:39:35
Thx Joe what would we novices do without you. Clive
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: cabin boy on 03 May 2013, 16:30:21
Hi Joe, Used ordinary superglue until today when Admiralty Professional Glues arrived. Just the ticket everything sticking first time and staying stuck, a change from being stuck (ha ha) trying to work what to try next. Many Thx Clive
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: cabin boy on 08 June 2013, 08:16:14
Hi nearly finished final fittings. Bath test late next week. I have painted using Humbrol enamel paints do I need to varnish or seal. Propshaft grease any particular density or make. Many Thanks Clive
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: colin on 08 June 2013, 12:02:38
Hi Clive
normally there should be no need to varnish.... but... i always varnish with a satin varnish.. it protects the main paintwork if i scratch it, its only the varnish that then need redoing.

all of my propshafts have a little Vaseline inserted with a syringe.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 08 June 2013, 13:32:36
Hi Clive
I always use acrylics and have never found the need to apply a sealer or varnish I guess it's a personal choice thing as for grease I use Graupner shaft grease wiped on the shafts as you assemble them just enough to coat them and then ,when assembled, a plug applied though the oiler tube with a syringe you don't want to fill the shaft tube it would cause too much drag.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: cabin boy on 09 June 2013, 09:57:24
Hi Joe and Colin once again thanksClive
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: cabin boy on 15 June 2013, 12:56:24
More advice plse. Build finished bath test next week. The ESC instructions say, ' As far away as possible from receiver'. So what is a minimum acceptable distance. I have previously read the discussions on connecting of motors and turning direction of each prop. I will then as promised post photos taken by my son as my tech ability does not stretch that far. Although there are many frustrations with a Dean built it does get the grey matter working and a sense of achievement and pride. I think I am catching the 'Joe bug' exploring which model will come next.
Many Thx Clive
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 15 June 2013, 13:24:11
Hi Clive
I've got my receiver under the bridge area and the esc's by the motors, It's not critical it just makes sense to keep the receiver away from interference.
I always turn my props inwards at the top of the prop, but again it's not critical the ship will still sail either way, look forward to seeing her

Joe
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: paul swainson on 15 June 2013, 13:32:31
Hi Clive,  I placed the ESC in the middle of of the forward deck opening and the receiver is place in the middle of the main deck opening and that keeps the balance and the distance with out too many extention leads.  See photos.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: cabin boy on 15 June 2013, 21:48:49
Thx guys for prompt responses. Very much obliged  Clive
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: colin on 16 June 2013, 09:33:45
 lot of people say that the Receiver should be as far away as possible from the electrics....
this is not so... nearly every single model that i have built, the receiver is right next to the ESC...
its not the ESC that provides the electrical disturbance, its the collector of the motor...

engineroom from HMS Inflexible (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/index.php?topic=144.msg771#msg771) Receiver right next to ESC

Just make sure the Aerial of the Receiver goes no were near the motors... and you should have no Problems at all.

there are a couple of articles on twin motors and prop directions in this forum..
Steering a twin engined boat (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/index.php?topic=394.msg2066#msg2066)
Rotation of twin props (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/index.php?topic=441.msg2510#msg2510)
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: cabin boy on 25 June 2013, 08:59:15
Solebay finished, bath test completed, what a thrill, looks magnificent. My last querie. I have wired props to turn inwards. I have used Zap thread locker, medium strength when fitting propellers. On the other end of the prop the flexible joint connector does not have a lock grub screw to help secure it to the prop, like on the end that connects to the motor.   As this connection takes the full thrust of the motors will the thread locker I have be sufficient or do I need something stronger. Hope my son will post photos already taken this evening. Many Thx Clive
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: Manxman1831 on 26 June 2013, 05:40:20
I found with my Cossack, that even on quadruple voltage (changed from what I thought was two functioning lead-acid batteries to two NiMH packs) the connection at the propshaft was strong enough to survive a run at full power, but not striking a fish.  The threadlock should be more than sufficient.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 11 July 2013, 19:21:27
Hi Clive ,  I don't use thread lock on my props the lock nut is more than enough to hold the props, I made a prop holding tool from an old tube spanner with three slots cut out the end so leaving three prongs that slide between the prop blades this holds it very securely while the nut is tightened.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 11 July 2013, 19:57:05
While on the subject of props, When I started Solebay my first Deans kit I got the wrong prop type in an order error on my part and got A type which are recommended for passenger/ cargo ships but thought well they will be OK, then I built Bramble and fitted the right props IE.  D type. Today I have gotten round to correcting my mistake and fitted a pair of D type props to Solebay I think they look better and have a slightly larger blade area Solebay certainly doesn't need any more speed  but I'm happier with the looks of them.
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: cabin boy on 19 July 2013, 21:57:26
Hi guys been in Belgium unable to post photos cannot reduce to required KB's, so have e mailed to Deans hope they can oblige. I expect I will have to get some software for computer to be able to post future photos on next project. Can,t decide yet, a corvette or perhaps a liberty ship to escort. The official launch next week. Looks magnificent due to your help and support. Many Thx Clive

Hi Clive, i have received the photo's, reduced them to the right KB's and attachted them to your post.  8)
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: radio joe on 21 July 2013, 13:39:01
Just as you say Clive she looks magnificent and a credit to you, well done mate.   Joe
Title: Re: HMS Solebay build
Post by: simon2302 on 21 July 2013, 14:21:53
Wow im jealous