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Title: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 23 September 2013, 17:26:43
Just ordered HMS Zulu, my third Deans build, just been pottering around the last 3 months new exhibition cradles for Solebay and Bramble etc. So I'm looking forward to another enjoyable build, Zulu is a little more up to date than the other two but still with all the "clutter" I like about warships, and a single shaft, and as Bramble I'll fit an exposed shaft I like the look of these, she promises to be a nice winter project. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 24 September 2013, 09:38:36
Looking forward to your build Joe, I have Zulu and as a first time modeller will hopefully follow your build on my table at home!  ;)
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: colin on 24 September 2013, 10:04:24
me thinking (not a good idea) "Joe" with a zulu (tribal class destroyer)... but no.... its Zulu the tribal class frigate.... much bigger.. enjoy your winter evenings  ;)


Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: andy on 24 September 2013, 13:20:53
I am sure you will enjoy building HMS Zulu Joe. The HMS Nubian was my first Dean's Marine kit I purchased back in the fall of 1987.  She will be heading back into dry dock this winter for a major refit  Over 20 years of enjoyment from this model. Witch I believe is longer then what the real ship served in the Royal Navy.

Andy
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 24 September 2013, 17:15:19
Well if my first two builds are any thing to go by I'll really enjoy it, yes I think with a bit of care they are quite durable, Andy you don't see many refits on here it would be good to see a refit of a 20 year old ship.

Colin I guess you are talking about one of Mohawk's sister ships the 1900's .destroyers.   

Tanzy I hope my build is of some help.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: andy on 25 September 2013, 16:01:39
Andy you don't see many refits on here it would be good to see a refit of a 20 year old ship.


Hey Joe..I am looking at doing a refit posting here along with a couple of builds.  To go along with me HMS Nubian, I also have a flower class corvette, tribal class destroy and the escort carrier.  Just have a little yard work to finish up on before the coming of winter and the start of the building season.

Andy
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 25 September 2013, 16:29:41
Hey that all sounds good to me Andy, I look forward to following your posts.  Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 25 September 2013, 17:13:36
Zulu kit arrived today so well done to Deans for another fast delivery just over a day, first impressions are she looks quite large with her round bow and large transom, and studying the kit and plan she also looks delightfully complicated lets just say she will not be built as quick as Bramble which is not a bad thing, My plan is to take the winter to build her so she can be exhibited at the SWA exhibition at Action Stations in Portsmouth dock yard late spring 2014. Trouble is once I get the bit between my teeth etc. I must learn to pace myself, so today I marked the station lines on the plan, degreased the hull and transferred the lines to the hull, and now the job I don't like much, rubbing down the hull top, and as the hull is quite big it is very flexible so I'll be fitting plenty of stiffeners though out. found a pic of Zulu and Gurkha at Portsmouth. Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 26 September 2013, 20:46:07
Now Joe remember pace your self, I will be away in the other half of the world so I will not be on line as much as I am when in the UK so nice detail of each part of the build with lots of nice photos so I can catch up on your work.   If you put the photos together and with a spoken text you could make a build video  to have on the stand showing how the build went, that would get a few people to stand and watch and get the bug.   All fun aside enjoy your build and I look forward to the end result and the bits in between.  Paul.   
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 27 September 2013, 08:54:55
Hi Dave,  by stiffeners I mean the usual bulkheads and cross members it's up to you how many you fit, I sometimes fit bulkheads and cut the middle out to allow cables etc. to run through, and because Zulu has a flat bottom which at the moment is rather concave I'll probably fit a plywood bottom liner inside weighted down on epoxy to stiffen the bottom. 
I've sanded off the hull top took about two hours using a sanding bat with 60 grit machine paper glued to it the surplus comes off quite quickly, are you sure you are not using too fine a paper. Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 27 September 2013, 16:21:23
rubbing down the hull top finished it was clear the foc'sle hull sides were over length, (fore end to fashion plate) so I thought the best way to mark them with some accuracy would be to tape the fore end  and foc'sle decks in place, so after checking the width of the decks with the station lines it turned out the printed cut lines on the decks were this time spot on, and taping them in place made it easy to mark the cut off points. The hull bottom is quite concave/ dished upwards so I've decided to fit a 3mm ply stiffener floor epoxied in place and I'll need to strut it off the ceiling to push the "dish" out so it's out tomorrow to get some plywood. 
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: karlgalster on 28 September 2013, 11:38:00
Just a thought Joe. One of the most noticeable things when comparing Deans Marine standard kit models against the more scratch built models is the stanchions/rails. The brass etched combination stanchions/railings are very good and are can take the inevitable knocks at the lakeside etc and can be bent back to their original positions with little ill effect. However for exhibition purposes perhaps separate stanchions and rails would be a big enhancement. Interested in your views. I must admit that up to now I have always used the brass etched jobs but I am interested in taking that next step.
Robin
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 28 September 2013, 15:10:33
Interesting thought Robin, , Oddly enough this Zulu kit dose have some single stanchions, (see photo) for use on the superstructure decks, lookouts etc. and has the usual etched brass combination railings round the main decks I'm thinking probably for durability as you mentioned, the single stanchions are in white metal if used round the main decks they would be trashed in no time, but fitting some brass ones is certainly worth considering.
Fitted the stiffener floors inside the hull today.  Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 28 September 2013, 21:28:07
I have used the single stanchions units in my build of the Parkasa, I liked them very much gave the look of quality and have taken a few knocks and are still in place.   The deck was wood so they have a good hold and are not at the very edge of the boat deck.   I like them and I may use them on my HMS Illustrious.   But with so many the cost will be high.  So you have to compare a single cost of about 30p to 50p each to the style used by Deans.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 29 September 2013, 17:21:25
 That's right Paul cost is a consideration I found some turned brass ones that would suit at about 6 pounds for 10 it would add about 100 pounds to the build and as we all know when you add the cost of all the "bits" that make them go they aren't cheap, so I may stick to the etched brass railings for round the main decks, most of the visitors to the exhibition marvel at the "handrails" on the boat and ask how we do them.  Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: ship's doctor on 29 September 2013, 18:45:43
An alternative is the John Haynes or Deans single etched stanchions- I think one sheet has 100-200, for about ?10, when painted these have the rounded 3D appearance. These can also be cut down to give half-height stanchions etc.

James 
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 29 September 2013, 22:37:32
Thanks James, these would be a reasonable alterative and worth considering, I've got a few months to think about it.  Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 30 September 2013, 15:34:31
Because Zulu is quite large with a single shaft I've decided to fit a slightly larger 5 skewed bladed prop and the generic rudder in the kit would in my opinion look a little small, having done a search for a suitable rudder I could not find one that matched the angle of the hull, so I thought I'd have a go at making one and I'm quite pleased with it,  photos attached for anyone new to the hobby who may be interested, 3 pieces of plasticard laminated over the shaft with epoxy resin, placed between two pieces of smooth poly to stop it sticking when excess resin runs out and weighted down over night, then trimmed around the edges and sanded to a profile and smoothed with fine wet/dry paper, and  made a tiller arm to complete it.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: andy on 30 September 2013, 16:00:51
Looking good there Joe. ^^^ I can see that the kit has been upgraded since I purchased it back in 1987.  Always good to see a manufacture keeping his product line up to date..

Andy
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: colin on 30 September 2013, 18:14:37
now i wonder if Joe copied they way i did my ruder for the Furie...  ;D  ;D

but that's basic modeling ... or was that modding..  ::DD   :)
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 30 September 2013, 18:15:44
Hi Dave, I scratch built this pilot boat many years ago, built in plywood and 3 feet long with a 600 motor with 2 to 1 reduction gearbox swinging a 50 mm prop, she still runs today, but obviously not the great detail of the Deans boats.

Hi Colin, That sounds like great minds think alike to me.  Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: colin on 01 October 2013, 08:42:14
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Hi Colin, That sounds like great minds think alike to me.  Joe

you could well be right there  8)  8)

Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 04 October 2013, 18:14:21
The bow has raised shapes to indicate the anchor stowage's with no mention of these in the instruction sheets, I thought this is one of those areas where you have to use your intuition,  as the 81's had recessed anchor stowage's with a curved rim at the bottom my 81 has to have them as well, like most of the members of the forum I try to build as close to the real ship as I can, The shapes on the bow looked to be the right  size so I cut out the part marked in pencil and left the bit at the bottom to build the lip, and with a few bits of scrap plisticard formed the "well" ,a bit of filler at the bottom formed the curved rims, As always here's some pics that might help the newbies to the hobby.  Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Dennis on 04 October 2013, 23:39:50
Hey Joe, looks like she coming along rather well. Nice clean job and like the recessed stowages. It gives it that look of realism.  ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: swiftdoc on 05 October 2013, 09:52:51
Hi Joe, fine build as always from you :) If you continue like you began you will need another kit for the long winter evenings ;D
Kind regards - Arno
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: colin on 05 October 2013, 10:13:21
have to agree with Arno   :)  :) 
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 05 October 2013, 13:37:02
Yes I think you are both right, I must learn to slow down but it's hard when you enjoy what you are doing  ::DD  Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 05 October 2013, 15:46:53
And as a newbie with the same model. . Who will start when those long winter nights do . . Keep the pictures coming, a great inspiration especially as the anchors are  not mentioned and I would not of thought to do it. Following and admiring with great interest, thanks Joe.  ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 06 October 2013, 17:01:53
Hi Tanzy. If the photos help you that's great, but do bare in mind if you are building the same kit that what you see in the photos is not the same as the instructions, I tend to do my own thing when fitting out the hull with bulkheads, R/C gear etc. and use the instruction sheets as a guide to the superstructure assemblies.
I use scraps of deck plastic to position deck supports without the need to use a guide line, the spacers and support are tacked in place with thin cyrno and epoxy applied to the under side of the deck support, when set the spacers can be levered off with small chisel; and made a start on the open bulkheads.  Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 07 October 2013, 13:41:17
Thanks Joe,  your pictures show the alternative methods that I would not of thought of and your way seems easier.  I would of followed the instuctions to the letter. It would take years of experience and builds to pick up what you are showing us newbies, it is now our choice which way to do it. As long as you don't mind posting the pictures and methods that is.

Many thanks.
Tanzy
 
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 07 October 2013, 15:41:30
Hi Tanzy,   If any of my build logs help anybody I'm only too pleased, I've learnt from some very talented members of this forum, I think that's what the forums all about.  Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 07 October 2013, 18:48:36
Well I certainly enjoy the challenge of these kits, and tend to only use the instruction sheets as a guide to assembling the superstructures and the plan to position the fittings any thing else I do my own thing.  Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 07 October 2013, 20:01:05
Build is coming along nicely Joe, but remember there are 5 long months for winter and you need to slow down or take more time in the detail, with lots of photos and written detail of how you got there so that I and others can drink our tea or cocktails and study your work.  (hows the weather in the UK?  can still watch you from afar Joe.)
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 07 October 2013, 20:49:19
Hi Paul, hope you are enjoying your trip, weather here is quite good, and yes I know I have to try and slow down, but maybe the whole winter was a bit optimistic LOL... Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 10 October 2013, 16:37:29
I've fitted the main bulkheads at the foc'sle brakes I'll fit more when I locate the batteries, ESC. R/C gear etc. and fitted deck bearers and cross members, I like to get to this stage before I fit the rudder and prop shaft, I find it makes the hull more stable and better to handle, next I fitted the rudder a couple of spacers and tape to hold upright before fixing tube with epoxy and some stiffeners, next I fitted the 4mm. Raboesch open prop shaft and "A" frame, set shaft tube in first and then the "A" frame  (easy one this being a single shaft),and then the motor.
I intend turning both turrets fitted directly on to the servos most likely using a couple of servo morphs so I need to establish the position of both servos before the deck is finally fitted. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 10 October 2013, 18:41:14
Hi Dave, yes I do prefer the ships boats from him, for 1:96 the detail is very good, and to make the most of the postage I usually get a few miscellaneous  fittings like white metal water tight doors which I think are a bit better than the resin ones, although having said that the resin doors in this Zulu kit are quite good, and with these old style warships you can't have too much clutter. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 10 October 2013, 19:52:05
Joe, I thought this is a slow winter project????

Your not cutting any corners as always and doing a great job but its not going to take long at this rate!!
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 10 October 2013, 22:32:12
Yes you are right Mike, but it doesn't seem that quick to me, it's more to do with having a lot of spare time and there's a lot of more complicated parts of the build to come. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 15 October 2013, 15:08:43
Just installed the rudder servo same setup as my other two, I noticed the rudder was turning the opposite way, on investigation the only difference was the other two were Futaba servos and this was a Hitec, of course I could just reverse the channel but as I use the Tx for all my ships I did not want to have to keep reversing the channel, I remembered I had a Futaba servo in an old yacht and as it has it's own Tx , I swapped it for the Hitec and refitted the Futaba to Zulu which now works fine, I had not realised the servos of different makes throw different ways, You do learn something everyday.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 15 October 2013, 16:12:51
Today I installed the forward and aft turret servos which will carry the gun turrets directly on top, I plan on using two  Action P96's to run them more realistically, this is what I should have done to Solebay's turrets instead of push rods, never mind you learn a little more with each build.  Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: colin on 15 October 2013, 17:15:53
sometimes by turning the servo round, so that the arm of the servo is facing the bow insted of the stern, changes the direction... and yes some firms use a different current polarity to drive the servo motor.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 17 October 2013, 16:02:16
As in my previous builds I'm making the R/C switch accessible from the deck in the guise of a deck fitting, probably a mushroom vent that is pulled upwards for on and down for off, this way you only need a small hole in the deck instead of a slot that would be needed for a sliding action, I've pre fitted the decks but have left the access hatches till later I prefer to make up the basic superstructure modules and use them to mark the relevant hatches in the deck, the main bridge module on this one sure looks complicated I'll have to get my thinking cap on.  Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 17 October 2013, 18:03:34
Hi Joe, I have not started mine yet due to being busy at work. I am enjoying your build and reading the instructions when you post and it all seems clearer now...hurrah! Can you please post a top shot of the whole ship without the deck on? Many thanks.  ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tommydean on 18 October 2013, 08:33:29
Like your idea for your switch ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 18 October 2013, 10:26:27
Hi Tanzy,  Hope the pics help, because of her length it's difficult to get close in one photo,

Hi Tommy, after I built my first kit "Solebay"  I would take her down the lake and have to fiddle around taking off the superstructures that are held down with elastic bands  to turn the R/C on and off, so when I built Bramble I made the switch accessible from the deck and was so pleased with the easy access at the water side I did the conversion on Solebay which had two ESC's so two switches which I simply wired into one switch with a rod through the deck and an ammo box on top, so now I do it to all my builds, but I'm sure I'm by no means the first to do this.  Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: colin on 18 October 2013, 10:42:51
Hi Joe,
you might like to put your photo's of your hidden Switches in this topic.. "Hidden Switches & Charging Sockets (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/index.php?topic=546.msg3527#msg3527)"

i hide my switches all the time..  ^^^

Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 18 October 2013, 15:07:48
Perfect Joe many thanks :)
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 18 October 2013, 20:02:47
you might like to put your photo's of your hidden Switches in this topic.. "Hidden Switches & Charging Sockets"

Hi Colin, yes may be I will post some photos there they might help someone. Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 22 October 2013, 16:49:32
when I studied the fore end of the bridge with all those little windows and the wrap around bit from the vacuform I must admit it had me worried, but I took my time over a couple of days doing a little at a time and although a few swear words came back from my working days, I am fairly pleased with it, which lead me into the next slightly easier part of the bridge module, I did deviate a little from the instructions and used a few of my own ideas like instead of forming the aft end with 5 separate pieces I put a bulkhead across the end and will form the "box" on it, although it will still look the same..  Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Horatio123 on 22 October 2013, 17:33:39
Hi Joe
She is looking good . I know what you mean with building the bridge I had fun and games building mine for HMS Lincoln except mine was etched brass , really awkward shape . Look forward to seeing the finished model at Action Stations 2014 . I am thinking of building Deans HMS Skirmisher , with 26 models at home I am running out of space have just sold off a couple of non warships so might start build in the New Year . If you are going to SWA show at Explosions in November we can have a catch up chat them .
Keep up the good work .
David
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 22 October 2013, 18:25:14
Thanks David, yes I'll see you at the SWA show.. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: colin on 23 October 2013, 06:52:26
jup i know what you went through Joe, the bridge on the Lis Terkol has similar angled window frames

it looks Ok to me too  ^^^

Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 23 October 2013, 21:58:07
Looks just perfect Joe.  I know when I did mine a few years back I was concerned about the vac form angled bit and how it would marry up but its not as daunting as it first seems.  All in all your build is looking very nice and going at a cracking pace.  Just finished my non Deans Build today of a Metcalfe Mouldings tug so soon be moving onto my next Deans when I return from the International Boat Show.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 24 October 2013, 10:57:33
Looking forward to your next build Mike hope you do a build log, what kit have you decided to build.. Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 24 October 2013, 17:10:46
SY Medea is the one.

Have just finished a Mecalfs Moudlings Lady Larua Tug which turned out a really nice build and looks very nice now its finished - 8pm last night lol.  I have a freelance tug lying on the stocks too but will start the Medea before that one.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 24 October 2013, 18:29:24
Hi Mike, The SY Medea yes you did say that before, please forgive the senior moment LOL , She is a beautiful yacht. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 24 October 2013, 20:41:34
Apologies for the slight deviation from your thread joe but just to show I have not been idle over the last couple of months. But as it was a non Deans couldn't put the log on here!!
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 24 October 2013, 21:34:00
Fine looking build Mike, and an interesting name. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 25 October 2013, 02:24:03
The bridge looks fine Joe, keep up the nice work and enjoy.  All the best to you and all your readers, from Oz.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 25 October 2013, 11:37:03
Thanks Paul, and greetings from damp old blighty, it must be hell in all that warm sunshine LOL.

I finished off the end "box" of the superstructure and then used the module to mark out the access hatch, I tend not to follow the full shape of the superstructures all you need is an access hole with a riser to help stop water ingress, so I just cut out a rectangle following the smallest part of the module and then you can fine tune the position and fit using packers glued in place and sanded to give a nice snug fit. Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 27 October 2013, 10:05:13
The bridge wing decks were quite tricky to do, so I thought I would build them one piece at a time with the bridge module in place on the deck, covered with masking tape to stop accidental sticking, this way I could make sure the outboard plates would line up with the edge of the deck, I think it turned out quite well. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 27 October 2013, 10:56:19
Excellent Joe... If I lived down south I think I would be asking to pop round for some tuition before starting mine! Enjoying the build. ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 29 October 2013, 17:48:50
I added the lookout stations from the vacuforms and decided not to do any more detailing to bridge structure till I have made all the deck structures in their basic form so I can use them to get all the deck accesses marked, then add all the upstands to each opening, when done I'll bond the decks in place and make good the deck/hull joint this will complete the hull up to painting, then comes my favourite bit, all the  detailing, started midships structure and deviating from instructions a bit by adding cross members that serve to keep the sides square and a support for upper deck
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: colin on 30 October 2013, 10:44:01
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started midships structure and deviating from instructions a bit by adding cross members that serve to keep the sides square and a support for upper deck
i don't think that could be classed as deviating.... i think that's called commonsense, i would have put some support in there as well, as it looks a rather large sub assembly.  ^^^

Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 30 October 2013, 17:49:04
Yes I agree with you there Colin, I tend to over build, but I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Dennis on 30 October 2013, 23:33:23
I agree with you both. There is nothing worse than having spent all that time to build an amazing ship only in the end for it to sag or come apart at the seams. It's time well spent. Also I have found that even though it adds some weight to the model it is not enough to affect the ballast. In fact in all of my builds I still had to add more lead weight to the ship after it was built. By the way Joe it looks like it shaping up to be another amazing build from you.  ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 31 October 2013, 09:26:46
Thanks Dennis,   Yes you are right considering the amount of ballast you have to add to the finished boat, I don't think there is any thing you can do in the build that would add "too much" weight, even Bramble that is quite small has a fair amount of lead in her which would equate to a great deal of plastic. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 02 November 2013, 10:39:22
Made the mid ships structure and formed the access hatch, on this one I followed the shape of the module to make the access as large as possible to get reasonable access to the batteries, again I'm not adding any more detail to the module at this time, next I'll build the Helli  hanger to mark out the last access, I'm not cutting the tiller flat hatch out there is not much to go wrong in there, looking at photos of the 81's I noted that most of the superstructure corners are "soft" the corners of the hanger in particular have quite a large radius, as you can see in photo, so I have been rounding off the corners as much as possible, for the hanger I'll build up the inside of the corner to get a bit more of a radius, Been searching for a 1:100 Westland wasp but no luck so far.  Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 02 November 2013, 16:55:22
Thanks Dave, Sirmar dose have a resin wasp fuselage which may very well fit the bill, with a few bits of plastic added and a lot of imagination, I have seen a 1:72 kit but I think it would be too big Zulu's wasp was a fairly snug fit on the hanger lift, the lynx would be close with the nose ground off but the engines would be too high. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 03 November 2013, 11:49:56
Joe

Barrys at Sirmar does have a nice fuselage that makes into a good wasp but he is hard to get hold of.  He is doing Sirmar very much as a part time job and he can take a while to reply from my experience.

For my HMS Yarmouth build I got a Wasp kit from a guy on Model warships at 1/96th:

http://modelwarshipsuk.informe.com/forum/for-sale-f9/1-96-scale-aircraft-t2021.html (http://modelwarshipsuk.informe.com/forum/for-sale-f9/1-96-scale-aircraft-t2021.html)

At the time he either sold it assembled or as a set of parts inc rotors etc.  It did make into a very good wasp. It was done in resin using 3d printing.  Not sure if he still does them but worth a message. 

Mike
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: rondean on 03 November 2013, 12:42:22
Hi Modellers
 We are working on a model of the wasp helicopter at present, our designer has said that a good model would help him be able to produce the kit with lots of detail from the 3D printer. It has to be made hollow and very light to not effect the stability of the model, i,e Tribal class frigate, as it sits very high up.
 This is the biggest scale I could buy, 1-1 scale, will that help ?  its a bit battered and worn and rough round the edges, but I like it and it looks pretty good ?
 not saying if I am talking about the heli or the crew, could get me in trouble
  Happy modelling
Deans Marine
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 03 November 2013, 12:57:22
Very nice ron.  Any idea of the history of this particular one - 829 Squadron ex Osprey perhaps?
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 03 November 2013, 16:43:52
Just the job Ron, now if you could just shrink it down 96 times and pop it in the post that would do fine. LOL.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 07 November 2013, 17:44:07
Built the basic hanger again not doing any detailing yet, and formed the access hatch, bonded the main and fore decks, another area where the 81's had rounded corners was on either side of the fwd. focsle break so I did some minor alterations to accommodate these. Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 09 November 2013, 15:10:07
Bonded the foc'sle deck on and finished the forward foc'sle break, It was quite tricky getting the larger radius corners to bend but with the help of a heat gun and a bit of filler I managed it, and I think it was worth the effort next I'll tackle the aft foc'sle break. Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 09 November 2013, 15:53:33
nicely married up joe.  When I did mine I did remember a lot of sanding, filling, sanding and more sanding to get it as rounded and flush as I could.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 11 November 2013, 05:22:52
She is coming along nicely Joe, and you are now working well into the plans. Still watching form sunny parts!  Paul
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: colin on 11 November 2013, 13:53:44
Quote
with the help of a heat gun
same Principal as how vacforming is produced   ^^^  its the only way to get plastic to bend round tight corners without breaking..  8)

super job Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 12 November 2013, 10:10:34
Thanks guys, your input and encouragement as always is appreciated, finished the aft foc'sle break, next I make the mortar station rooms/deck, in photos the corners look to be rounded so I'll form these the same as the hanger. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 14 November 2013, 16:35:39
Made a bit of progress with the mortar station, the cat walk area on top is different to the plan and instructions, it's more like my interpretation of some photos of the area, I'm sure anyone serving on Zulu would say it's all wrong but hey, it looks OK to me, I'm adding detail to this module, as it's the only superstructure bonded to the deck and easier to do off the boat. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 14 November 2013, 19:27:13
Very nice Joe . . I was a sparker so never went round the airy fairy domain! Looks good to me.  ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 14 November 2013, 20:13:21
Thanks guys, they are electrical conduits Dave, probably a bit over scale but when the area is painted grey they will blend in.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 14 November 2013, 20:21:13
Looking very good Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 16 November 2013, 12:13:39
Thanks Mike,      Before I bond any module to the deck I thought I'd scribe the planking on the wood deck areas, it would have been easier to do these before bonding on the deck, but I wanted to fit the superstructure in place to mark the margins around them, with all the modules in place she is starting to look like a warship. 
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 17 November 2013, 18:12:07
Nice Joe.  I scribed my decks then painted with tan deck and put a thin light dark wash over then wiped off which left the wash in the scribing lines showing the dark caulking.  Allegedly!!  But it didn't look too bad although shes looking a little aged these days but she is over 10 years old since her build.  I didn't know very much those days - not that I know a lot more these days - and I like to think if I did another build of her I would do a little better this time.

Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 17 November 2013, 19:25:47
Well she may be 10 years old, Mike, but she looks dam fine to me. Joe.       
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 17 November 2013, 20:29:48
Thanks Joe.  She does still look okay but I wouldn't go past ok lol
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 20 November 2013, 10:10:15
She is looking good Joe,  ^^^ not seen any New Zealand Navy ships  yet have that to come.  :grin1:
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 20 November 2013, 10:22:50
I made a bit of a mod to the bridge wings accesses, in some photos of the area I could just make out they had gates on them so I added some gates along with some panels on the landings instead of railings, I know this is not "as built" but after all I am in charge of this ship yard LOL.
now that all the basic superstructure modules are built I have now started at the bow with the recessed bullring and the anchor hawsers and plan to work my way along the boat adding detail, well that's the plan but I'll no doubt think of something to do on the stern and do that.

Thanks Paul, knowing you, you'll probably bring one back with you ::DD  ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 23 November 2013, 13:40:57
Adding some detail to the bow, I drilled out the compressors so the chains would pass though to the anchors, a bit fiddly but worth the effort I think, No fittings supplied for the entrance to the chain lockers so rather than just a hole I made some from brass tube, I think these finish off the chain runs a bit better, also added the breakwater and a few more fittings.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 01 December 2013, 15:28:43
just adding some more to the bridge module, very satisfying building the small control rooms putting them in place to see how she is progressing, the hull is about ready for spray priming, but I think I wait till all the deck modules have a bit more detailing on them and prime the whole lot. joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 07 December 2013, 15:12:27
Progressing slowly, built a couple more items for midships module, and have decided to use brass etch railings instead of the white metal stanchions , I my opinion they look quite a bit over scale the knuckles at just over 1/16 th would amount to around 6 inches, the brass etch looks much finer, just me being fussy, I've also been spending a bit of time on a new part of the hobby for me, moulding my own fittings, I first made a 5ft square louvre engine room vent plug mould and then a silicon mould I now have no shortage of vents, wt doors, life rafts, lockers, either made from scratch or find a really "good" fitting and reproduce it, it's also enjoyable.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: ship's doctor on 07 December 2013, 15:53:47
Looking very good as ever Joe-

What sort of silicon and resin are you using to make your fittings? Would be interesting to try the technique!

James
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 07 December 2013, 16:38:15
Nice Joe. I did get a kit last Christmas to try moulding my own fittings but haven't had a build to use it on yet as my last two builds have been straight out of the box kits.  Hopefully will get the chance to try it in the new year and seeing your pics gives me a level to try and get somewhere close to.     
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 07 December 2013, 19:04:19
Hi James ,  it's CS2 condensation cure silicon and fast cast polyurethane resin I got it from, www.easycomposits.co.uk (http://www.easycomposites.co.uk) , you can buy a kit as photo or as I did separately to save a few quid, the silicon rubber was half the size of the one in the kit, with the moulds being so small it go's a long way. Hope this helps.  Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 09 December 2013, 17:07:56
Made the stacks from vacuform and rough sanded them to remove bumps etc. and then smoothed them with 600 grit and added some detail, I particularly  enjoy this part of the build, the detail is not necessarily as built just my interpretation.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 09 December 2013, 17:32:26
Looking good Joe ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 09 December 2013, 21:14:05
Very nice Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 13 December 2013, 10:42:14
A bit more detail added,  With all the deck modules now in place I marked the water line as per plan, and put her in the wet dock to get an idea of how much ballast she would need, the answer to that is not very much, she sits just above and parallel the line with a very slight list to strbrd. so with quite a lot of fittings to do, it will only need a small amount of trimming, I have to say well done to Deans again the do get the water lines spot on.  Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: ship's doctor on 13 December 2013, 18:00:46
Looking very good Joe- thank you for the details of the moulding kit!
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 13 December 2013, 18:16:15
Your welcome James, it's a very interesting addition to the hobby, I've just made a mould of a Gemini rib using a rib out of the Zulu kit, after a bit of filling a sanding to make it "good" as an experiment to see what I can do, I filled it with resin this afternoon so I'll let you know if it was a success or not. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 14 December 2013, 12:03:51
The moulding of the Gemini was successful and I'm quite pleased with it, so I thought I would experiment a bit further and try to reproduce the outboard motor for the Gemini from the white metal one, so tiny I didn't think it would work and the first attempt didn't fill correctly, but by splitting the mould and applying the resin with a cocktail stick and then closing the mould it comes out fairly good.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: swiftdoc on 14 December 2013, 15:00:50
Hi Joe,

the result looks really great to me. I follow your build with great interest. It is amazing as always. Maybe I will try to buy a similar resin set in Germany - the shop you bought it from does not ship overseas.

Kind regards - Arno
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 14 December 2013, 18:20:25
Thanks Arno, I'm sure you should be able to get it in Germany, thinking about German technology they probably invented it, LOL.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 15 December 2013, 16:40:12
Did a bit more to the hanger module, the top of the hanger is one area not mentioned in the instruction sheets, so I just did what I thought looked right, not sure if the 81s had lowering net railings, I know some of the helicopter carrying ships did so this one has also.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 15 December 2013, 16:46:41
As I recall the nets lowered. . Is the net material in the kit Joe? It's looks great
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 15 December 2013, 17:10:41
Yes they lowered when flying operations took place.  The lowered at just below level to the flight deck similar to how you have done it Joe and the roof although its a one piece vac form in the kit, in life it was in about 4 or 5 sections that were usually placed just to the starboard of the flight deck forward of it about where the walk way around the Limbo well is.  I have a photo of the nets lowered and the roof sections moved off.   If I can dig it out I could try and scan it if that's any help Joe?  Im sure its in my fathers Mohawk commissioning book.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 15 December 2013, 18:11:15
Hi, Tanzy,  No the netting is not in the kit, I asked the wife and she came up with it, the rest is .8mm brass rod,
Hi, Mike ,  thanks for the info and yes any photos are a great help thanks, as for the vacuform lift cover I thought I would cut it in sections and see what it looks like, I've got a nice photo of HMS Mohawk under way that you can just make out the cover sections stowed stbrd of the mortar station.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 15 December 2013, 18:34:13
I have one of Ashanti too that shows the sections in the same stowage place and also shows the outline of the actual lift section of the flight deck.  Will try to scan tomorrow for you.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Dennis on 16 December 2013, 03:05:54
Hey Joe, looks like your build is coming together nicely. Like all the extra details your adding to it. ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 16 December 2013, 14:06:15
Hi Joe, Pictures for info showing the flight deck netting, helos on lift with covers at the side and a 1/72 model with a very nice looking helo
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 16 December 2013, 14:38:29
Thanks for the pics Tanzy, you can't have too much information, interestingly the steps up to the flight deck from the mortar station is in the same position as I have put the opening in the netting and plan to put some steps, more by luck that judgement I might add.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 17 December 2013, 19:55:09
Well managed to scan my pics of Ashanti and Mohawk at work but they would only scan as PDFs which I cant get onto here.  If you want me to mail them Joe let me know.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 17 December 2013, 22:51:11
Hi Mike, please do e-mail them, you can always pick different things out of photos thanks.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 18 December 2013, 00:28:46
Have now caught up with your build Joe, and boy she looks very nice indeed and she does not have cloths on yet (paint).   She will look great when you finisher her.   I love the detail you have used and the moulding kit you have seems very useful.  Keep up the good work.   I did nets for my Helli pad in my stealth frigate.   Used netting and then stitched them in squares to the frames and then secured the frames with U bends made from very thin copper rod.   When I return will post pictures on My dock yard or my flicker site ^^^

Paul
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: colin on 18 December 2013, 05:39:01
Well managed to scan my pics of Ashanti and Mohawk at work but they would only scan as PDFs which I cant get onto here.  If you want me to mail them Joe let me know.

PDF's are allowed to be uploaded...!! they might have been larger than 100KB, i can convert the PDF's to JPG if you would like..!!
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 18 December 2013, 20:38:35
email sent Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 19 December 2013, 09:29:15
Hi Mike,  Thanks for the photos, the one of Mohawk is the one that I have but yours is a lot clearer and shows more detail, Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 19 December 2013, 11:31:12
As I said in previous builds soldering brass assembles is not my strong point, so I thought I would tackle it now and after a few choice words I got the basic mast and "bedstead" done, and assembled them on the deck, now to get it tuning, then I thought why not make the long range and the short range radars turn, I had already glued the short range in place so I had to do a bit of bashing, the short range is coupled direct to the geared motor and runs at about 28 RPM, and the long range is driven by the shaft against a wheel with a rubber "tyre" and runs at 14 RPM, I wanted to have them switchable from the TX and did not have enough room under the bridge module for the batteries, servo and mini switch, then it dawned on me I had plenty of depth in side the hull so my solution was to suspend a panel from the bottom of the bridge module and use both sides of it, I could of build the switch gear in side the hull but there is not much room through the access hatch and I have got two servo morphs for the turrets to go in there yet, also it is a lot easier to change the batteries.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 27 December 2013, 15:11:10
Hi all, I've not done much to Zulu over Christmas but I have fitted the two Action servo morphs I got from "Santa", a bit of a fiddle but worked it out finally, using a servo horn as a pointer on each turret servo I got 80 degrees each side of the centre line which I think is reasonable for a deck gun and down to a nice slow smooth speed that looks realistic, never used servo morphs before but I'll certainly use them again.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 29 December 2013, 16:19:01
Just been reading one of the books I got Christmas, Type 81 a History of the tribal class frigate by Patrick Boniface, it covers the service history of all seven tribal frigates  plus some of the ships that had the names previously, a most interesting read.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 29 December 2013, 17:56:08
I have a couple of his, although not that one and they do make a very detailed read full of factual information.  Sadly didn't get any new books this crimbo. 
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 30 December 2013, 16:33:29
Hi Mike,  I did quite well for books this crimbo, as well as the one already mentioned I got "Daring class destroyers" by Neil Mc Cart and "Cats and Cathedrals" a history of the type 41 and type 61 frigate by Patrick Boniface some good reading there.

Did the first bit of primer spraying on the bridge module, when made I left off the bridge roof so I could fit the glazing after spraying I think I did right, masking all those windows would have been a nightmare, as spraying is so messy I do it in the garage and it is a bit too cold and damp really but I wanted to get that bit done to finish the roof, I won't chance spraying the hull just yet.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 30 December 2013, 19:37:52
I have the Daring one too Joe.  Neil Cart does some good books.  But I admit to a little bias as he used a pic of HMS Intrepid in his Fearless and Intrepid book in which I and an oppo were leaning on the stanchions on the bow when the photo was taken!   

raver than me Joe spraying out in the garage today!  I am just at the last stages of building my current build which I have reached the painting stage with the main build all done but I have put off painting for a few days as its too damp out there for my liking.  Hoping for a nice sunny news year day and day after to I can get a lot of it done.  Once that painting is done and the model finished then there are two Deans kits awaiting building for my next projects after the last two non Deans builds which I am itching to start.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 30 December 2013, 20:11:59
Yes I'm going to wait for a few dry calm days to spray the rest, looking forward to your build log Mike.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 02 January 2014, 15:47:41
while I'm waiting for some good weather to get down the garage and spray the rest of the boat, I'm pottering around preparing all the fittings, starting with the MRS3 director, the aerial is improvised with the dish cut from confectionery packaging ,a micro pinion and a bit of wire, next is the limbo mortar I have to say the mouldings needed a fair amount of work the base was chipped in several places so the best option was to sand the base off and fit a new one it should look OK when painted, unlike my other builds I'm not adding many fittings at this stage, It should make painting the decks easier.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 02 January 2014, 16:13:00
Looking good as usual Joe.  I know what you mean about the weather and painting.  I am at the paint stage now for my current build but the damp and cold is preventing me from painting the hull and superstructure.  All the fittings have been painted indoors and the window frames but have reached a point where I cant do anything more - other than start on my next build.  I am away for weekend tomorrow but next week I don't think the weather will be good enough still for painting so I will start my next build at the end of next week when the rest of my bits arrive and finish my painting of the current build when the weather warms up - and dries up. 
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 10 January 2014, 15:27:07
While waiting for some better weather to do some primer spraying down the garage I'm still pottering around preparing all the fittings and mounting them on double sided tape, It was my intention to buy some upgrades for the two 4.5" deck guns as I'm not a great fan of the vacuforms but I thought I might just as well make them up and see how they come out, after all I'd have nothing to loose, and at 10 pounds each the upgrades are'nt cheap, well after some very fiddley work I managed to make them and I'm fairly pleased with them, with a bit more detail added to them and a paint job I think they will do.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 10 January 2014, 18:13:21
Really enjoying watching this build Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 10 January 2014, 20:09:00
Very nice Joe.  If my memory serves me well (and often it doesn't) they had a red fire canvas curtain around the rear of the shield/turret often tied back to each side.  Although I have seen a few builds of the Tribals I don't recall any models actually having the curtain put on including my own primitive build from a few years back.  Knowing the excellently meticulous way you approach your builds had this thought crossed your mind to do?
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 10 January 2014, 23:22:09
Funny you should mention that Mike, I had the same thought this afternoon after looking at a couple of photos from one of the books I got it clearly shows the curtains, and I started thinking what I could use that would look ok, still thinking, I'll most likely fit them after painting, the turrets lift off the servos so least they are easy to get at.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 11 January 2014, 13:46:13
Yep we had a grey ish thick canvas curtain on each side on the mohawk, normally rolled backed like the earlier picture I posted of the gun
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: colin on 11 January 2014, 17:06:50
in some art craft shops, they have a satin silk paper.... tissue paper can be a little to coarse...
cut it roughly to size, soak it in thinned out PVA glue, and then form it into shape...  for example, slightly crumpled together as it would be when tied back...  ^^^  then let it dry...

Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 11 January 2014, 17:10:46
Yes I've seen that photo Tanzy, I'm thinking tissue paper for the curtains, loosely rolled and tied with fine wire and glued to each side and painted with thinned acrylic We will see how it works later, added a bit more detail to the turrets, and also noted from a photo that the midship wing decks had support stantions, so I fitted them today.

Thanks Colin sounds good to me.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 14 January 2014, 14:55:39
Got everything ready for spray primer today, might get down the garage and get it done tomorrow weather permitting, all the painting after that I do by brush back in the comfort of my "dockyard" and then to fit the rest of the deck fittings approx 100 items plus all the stanchion rails.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 15 January 2014, 14:36:34
OK got the spraying done today, Not too cold in the garage and no wind, I open the side door and partly open the main door to get an air flow so I did'nt want it windly, and this time I remembered to cover the wifes bike up so I did'nt get another ear bashing LOL.
all parts back in the warm now and I'll leave them for a couple of days to harden off.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: colin on 15 January 2014, 17:26:01
the Winter still has a few months to go...  ;D

Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: swiftdoc on 16 January 2014, 06:48:04
But not if you are in that stage of the build ::DD I know how Joe feels. I hope to get nice weather at the weekend to spray the satin varnish. Joe, your job looks extremely neat to me - very well done.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 16 January 2014, 08:42:33
Nice work Joe, she has been a pleasure to watch your work, with lots of ideas for me.   Keep up the good work.  Paul
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 16 January 2014, 17:30:53
Thanks for your comments chaps ^^^ I plan to finish Zulu around March time, that makes it about a 5 month build, which seems to be what I take on Deans 4 footers, this is the size I like best they are a good size and have a presence on the lake even at a distance, no doubt my next build will be the same size, I think I can squeeze one more on the shelves, any more and my railway will have to go. :(
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: ship's doctor on 16 January 2014, 23:05:37
Looks really sharp Joe!

Could you get more 4ft shelves??  :smiley1:
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 17 January 2014, 15:41:13
I could just about get one more shelf in James, My workshop/dockyard is a double dormer roof conversion quite a large room but surprisingly little wall space, the two end walls are taken up with large windows,another wall has cupboards built in concelling the chimneys and the other wall has the entrance door and the tank cupboard, and my railway runs around three walls and actually though one of the built in cupboards, but if it came down to making a choice my warships would win, I had considered a free standing shelf unit, but for now with a bit of juggling I could get another two ships in, then we'll see.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Horatio123 on 20 January 2014, 14:51:40
Hi Joe .
         Looks a nice job you are doing , I look forward to seeing her at the SWA shows .
         I have shelved my decision to build HMS Skirmisher for now , having discovered the Merit 1/200 scale USS Hornet , always wanted to build a carrier , nice size too at just over 48" long , it is sold as a static kit so I am busy sorting out the R/C fit at the moment , four motors ,two speed controllers , using the Deans USS Missouri motorising kit and doing mods as required , different props as well (supplied by Deans) , hope to have hull ready to test run later in the week then have to sort our access via the hanger deck .then I can start the build proper , 32 x 20mm oerlikon guns  to make in etched brass should be fun!!
         I know what you mean about space problems I now have 24 models stored in my workshop on shelves etc 4 are nearly 6 foot long so  I am now having to work in conservatory ( but it is warmer in the winter)  . Had to sell a couple of non warship models to make some space trouble is I don't want to sell any of ones I have left .
         Are you going to exhibit on  SWA stand at Yeovil FAA Museum next month ?
         Remember to e mail me with your address so I can send you the 1/96 helo blades you need ?

Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 20 January 2014, 18:43:10
Hi David, look forward to following your build of USS Hornet, (lost at Midway along with USS Yorktown if memory serves) 1:200 and still 4 foot long, she must have been around 700 feet, With all the conversions it should be an interesting build, I do admire you for taking on all those 1:200 scale fittings, 1:96 fittings are about the limit for my sausage fingers, not sure about Yeovil yet, I'll e-mail my address and thanks again for the offer of the blades. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Horatio123 on 20 January 2014, 21:49:40
She was sunk at Santa Cruz and only a year and six days since she was commissioned . She was 809 feet long . She was heavily involved in holding back the Japs and also carried the Doolittle raid . The brass fittings should be easier than the ones on my Invincible at 1/350 scale they were frustrating to say the least !!!
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tommydean on 22 January 2014, 13:21:00
Hornet in 1/200 scale.. Nice and manageable.. A friend did the lex in 1/96 scale in bread n butter construction.    It looked very cool out on the water but was a chore to move around
   Tom
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: andy on 22 January 2014, 14:20:08
You are doing a really great job with this build Joe.  I hope to sand down my type 81 this weekend and get started with her rebuild.

Andy
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 22 January 2014, 17:21:37
Thanks Andy, that's got to be a tricky job, are you attempting to remove most of the fittings before sanding and repainting, would be good to see your progress, hope all goes well. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 23 January 2014, 17:03:13
Thanks for the heli rotors David, got them today, I'll certainty use them if I can find a wasp fuselage, Sirmar has got a resin one in 1:96 but I'm a bit reluctant to order from him as you don't know when or if you might get it, so I will keep looking.

Did some more painting today, so far the hull bottom two coats and the topsides have two coats, letting it thoroughly dry before applying the masking tape to do the boot topping.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Horatio123 on 23 January 2014, 17:52:33
No problem Joe glad they arrived in one piece , I don't know if Fleetscale do a 1/96 Wasp . might be worth asking ?
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 24 January 2014, 16:14:12
Checked out Fleetscales website the only thing close was a Westland lynx in 1:72. and a couple of other company's have wasps but in 1:48 and 1:72 scale, the wasp is quite a simple shape I might try moulding one in Plasticine if I can find the measurements then I could make a mound and cast one in resin,

Did the boot topping today, beginning to look like a warship, still a lot more painting to do on deck and superstructures plus all the fittings that are just primed at this time, then my favourite part adding the fittings that really bring her to life.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 24 January 2014, 18:21:21
Looking good. sIrmar the only place for the wasp short of Ron shrinking his. I ordered one in October and it took 3 weeks  to arrive.  As I have not started my build I have not opened it yet. I will try to open it up and upload a picture If I can this weekend.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: swiftdoc on 24 January 2014, 18:31:09
well done, Joe :) Everything looks very neat. I like the brass etched mast very much.

Regards - Arno
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Post by: paul swainson on 25 January 2014, 09:39:48
Looking good Joe, wont be long now till I am back home and start my build.   I am getting model shivers so to speak not being able to do any work and watching you and the other guys move along with there builds.   While I was in Melbourne I got photos of the J224 HMAS Castlemaine a Bathurst Corvette.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: karlgalster on 25 January 2014, 12:21:48
Hi Joe,
Looking very good. I think your colour of the hull below the boot topping looks realistic - closer to brown than red. I have my supicions that the red (car repair red primer in some cases) favoured by some warship modellers is not strictly accurate. I am building an Adm Graf Spee at the moment and I am using White Ensign enamels since they specialise in accurate colours for warships of all nations and the colour appropriate for my model is a dark brown with only a suggestion of red.
Robin
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 25 January 2014, 15:53:35
Thanks for your kind comments chaps, yes Robin I know what you mean, I personally don't favour the "red" bottoms, the ships I saw in dry dock when working in Portsmouth Dockyard all had a kind of browny red colour, the closest I've found is the Humbrol brick red acrylic that I use for all my builds
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Post by: mikearace on 25 January 2014, 17:33:00
I use either the acrylic Humbrol Brick red or the Revell equivalent which to me are the most realistic.  That said from my memories I do recall different shades on hull bottoms when on view in dry dock.  I know that there are some people who are quite particular about the 'official' greys used over the years but even the greys often looked different shades at times.  Certainly I remember being tied up alongside fearless when on Intrepid and we did DTS handover in the seventies and we were a much darker shade of grey than Fearless and our topping line was not the same height as Fearless and her pennant number was placed different to ours.   
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Post by: radio joe on 25 January 2014, 18:31:23
Yes Mike, I know what you mean about the shades of grey (no pun intended) ;D  I saw quite a few in the dockyard, and the difference in foreign navies is obvious the German navy in particular is a very dark grey not far off the primer colour I used, I tend to use a rather pale grey which seemed to be favoured in WW2.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 27 January 2014, 09:51:47
Hi Joe this is the Sirmar wasp body, took about 3 weeks for delivery. If you need any more info let me know
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Post by: paul swainson on 27 January 2014, 12:01:23
Hi Joe,  There is a gent on one of my other forums who as made this Wasp in 1.96 scale and does the kits complete with engine  and wheels.  Will post details when I get home on Friday/Saturday.
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Post by: Tanzy on 27 January 2014, 12:07:43
Look forward to the post on the wasp details, I knew someone had done a limited amount of the 1/96 on another forum but was told they were sold out and he was not doing anymore. Obviously duff info.

 ^^^
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Post by: radio joe on 27 January 2014, 12:27:30
Thanks for the info chaps, I'll look out for that Paul, and thanks for the photo Tanzy.
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Post by: paul swainson on 27 January 2014, 12:40:20
Hi Joe if you join this forum and read this article the guy makes a scale wasp in 1/96.

http://modelwarshipsuk.informe.com/forum/post29867.html (http://modelwarshipsuk.informe.com/forum/post29867.html)

I have his Email address id you want it.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 27 January 2014, 13:44:51
I bought one of these from him for my HMS Yarmouth.  Came very complete with just rotors to add.  He did it from 3d printing if my memory serves me well as he was also doing some Scimitars and Sea Vixens but he only did a limited run of I think a dozen or so?.  Was a nice little piece of kit.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 27 January 2014, 14:33:52
Checked the link, I emailed him in November and he said he had/is supplying them via Sirmar.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 28 January 2014, 17:27:29
Thanks for all the info chaps, I think I'd like to try making a wasp first later in the build, The most difficult bit is likely to be the under carriage with each wheel having a double wishbone and a shock so I could go for the wasps predecessor the Saunders Roe Scout which only had skids which would be easier to do, and I believe did serve briefly on the 81s, of course this could all be out of my skill level but if you don't make mistakes you don't make anything. Joe.
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Post by: colin on 29 January 2014, 05:54:13
Quote
of course this could all be out of my skill level but if you don't make mistakes you don't make anything. Joe.
with you all the way there Joe...
just like my scratch built Steam plants, for my Steam Launches (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/index.php?topic=144.msg1979#msg1979) in my HMS Inflexible build, i think it took me Five attempts to get it what i think looks right..
 
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Post by: ship's doctor on 29 January 2014, 10:55:04
Hi Joe,

There are some drawings of the Wasp on this page if it's any help.

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php?topic=28610.0 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php?topic=28610.0)

The undercarriage does look tricky but you might be able to build it up from stock plastic tube or the albion alloys telescoping tube. Or there might be a suitable airfix kit to steal bits from?

James
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Post by: radio joe on 29 January 2014, 16:02:31
As you say Colin if you make something your happy with that's all that matters, I'd certainly be happy with those steam plants.

Thanks James, I've saved the drawings they will be very useful later, I've got most of the dimensions I can enter on them and they show the detail better than a photo there is even the scout with skids as an option, .  Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 29 January 2014, 16:16:14
Got on with some painting the last couple of days, the planked deck area needs a bit of weathering, and the anchors are now fitted, still looking quite bare as there are over a hundred fittings to do. Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 29 January 2014, 19:35:59
Nice progress Joe.  My shipbuilding is on hold for a few days due to the arrival of our new puppy taking over the household and needing my attention!!  Forgot how much hard work they are.   
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Post by: swiftdoc on 30 January 2014, 07:59:21
Hi Mike - what breed will it be? Since we have our Welsh Corgi Pembroke mix it is inevitable to have hair on the model when painting with a spraygun.  Our dog (Minnie) put a couple of traces of hair also on the Muirneag ???

But without the dog I possibly would have problems with my wife so did accept the hair problem ::DD

Kind regards - Arno
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 30 January 2014, 09:32:20
Our black lab teaches me not to get too involved with my ship building, and barks loudly when she wants a walk in all this wind and rain,, lovely,, see what you've taken on Mike !.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 30 January 2014, 10:41:55
Its an Irish Red and White Setter.  We already have an Irish Setter but our first dog over 30 years ago was an Irish Red and White which we got just as the IRWS were being revived as a breed as they had nearly died out.  They are still classed as a rare and vulnerable breed with only around 250 registered every year.  Since her we had a Gordon Setter and now our current 5yo Irish Setter. We had to wait a little while for her from our chosen breeder as there are very few litters born every year, although this year there seems to be a few more litters being born.  400 mile round trip to pick her up but she has settled in well.  The older dog isn't fully sure about her yet but no real problems with her other than getting fed up with being asked to play all the time.   
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: swiftdoc on 30 January 2014, 11:11:56
So besides modelling we have another thing in common ^^^I hope you have a lot of fun with the puppy. Luckily our dog is not interested in modelling at all and he accepts me being some time in the cellar without him. - Arno
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Horatio123 on 31 January 2014, 16:00:15
HA HA . I know what you mean I have a Golden Retriever , lots of dog hair and gets very very wet (so do I walking him in this weather come to think of it !!!!)
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 31 January 2014, 16:05:41
Gave the ship her identity today and is now easily recognizable as HMS Zulu, now to add all the detailing.  Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Horatio123 on 31 January 2014, 16:37:28
Hi Joe .
      Nice work she is coming along a treat , Don't want to appear to be a "rivet counter" but I think the flight deck letters should be white !
      You are making a really nice job of her I look forward to seeing the completed work at our next show ! Did you get John's 2014 exhibition programme OK ?

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Post by: radio joe on 31 January 2014, 16:45:06
I'm sure you'r right about the letters but that's what was on the decal sheet,  yes got the programme I think March will be my first this year. Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 02 February 2014, 14:40:29
Wasn't happy with the identity letters on the flight deck apart from being the wrong colour I felt they were too large and as the transfers had not taken very well to the mat dark surface I removed them quite easily and made some stencils in mask tape, true they don't look as professional as transfers but then I'm no professional and still think it looks better.Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: ship's doctor on 02 February 2014, 21:47:43
Looks really good Joe- I like the masked stencil numbers
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 03 February 2014, 14:41:12
Thanks James.

Thought I'd have a go at the helicopter today, and have decided to do the scout which has the easier under carrage had to make the choice now as there is a slight difference in the body to a wasp, I had some balsa left over from the deck bearers so this was glued together to make a block, then the rough profiles were cut then came a lot of careful carving and sanding, and will have a few coats of sealer, as this is only the plug to make a mould I'm not too concerned about any slight grain marks etc.  these can be dealt with on the actual moulding, so far it's coming along quite well and I think a fair representation of a Westland Scout, and the scale looks about right to me, after the sealer is hardened I'll make up the silicon mould when this is cured the plug has to come out in one piece,
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Post by: radio joe on 03 February 2014, 14:42:31
a few more photos.. Joe.
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Post by: Tanzy on 03 February 2014, 15:37:44
Very good Joe, I think you will be getting some orders if your mould works out ok!!  :)
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Post by: colin on 04 February 2014, 06:22:52
she certainly looks the part....  ^^^    ... i think i might know someone that would like a mould of this...  ;)

Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 04 February 2014, 14:53:54
I should point out that it is not the 1:72 scale shown on the drawing it is not printed to any particular scale, I made it in 1/8 to the foot based on measurements from a Scout spec of just over 30 feet fuselage and any measurements I didn't have I did what I thought looked right,
added a bit of detailing loosly based on the drawing, and thought the cockpit windows would help in painting later,the window frames are a little over scale but this can be sanded down a bit on the actual casting, also put a base on the under side that will form the extraction hole this will naturally have to be sanded off the casting, then formed the mould box, and filled with silicon mould medium I will leave it 24 hours to cure then comes the ultimate test will it extract in one piece, the angle of the tail fin should help, if it was a 90 degree tail fin it would be difficult, the mould cures to be very flexable but doesn't lend its self to split moulding, if it comes out OK the next bit will be to try a resin fill this will also have to be done carefully and slowly the resin has to run down to the tail with out forming an air pocket or else the tail will be missing, if all goes well I'll turn my attention to scratch building the Nimbus 103 engine, that should be fun  ::DD
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Post by: radio joe on 05 February 2014, 14:55:06
Well it extracted from the mould but it wasn't easy , so I've decided to do a partial split in the mould along the under side from the cockpit to the end of the tail fin, that way I can open it slightly to remove the casting and it's held closed by a piece of plasticard, over estimated the mix and had enough over to fill the rest of my moulds it all adds to my stock,  while waiting for the resin to cure I made a start on the power plant, that was fiddly but from a distance it doesn't look too bad,.
Sorry David I've decided to use the white metal rotors as a pattern and make some from brass and plasticard I'll see how they come out
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Post by: Horatio123 on 05 February 2014, 16:50:08
Hi Joe .
      Really good job you are doing there , very fiddly but seems to be moulding Ok .
      ^^^ I am going to buy some moulding materials as I need to make some extra parts for my Hornet , for example there are not enough carley floats supplied and I am thinking of trying to make some aircraft using ones supplied in kit as a pattern , I have contacted Merit International in California and they are going to try and get me some more kit aircraft but I thought if I could mould my own they would be ok for hangar ? We will see how I get on !
       No problem with you using metal rotors for a pattern I suspect that as they are for a Lynx they are a little large anyway .

   
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Horatio123 on 05 February 2014, 16:59:43
Hi Joe . Don't know if attached is of any help re rotor size etc , Photos of my 1/72 Wasp on my Leander HMS Phoebe which I built some 35+ years ago and is still going strong but she is 6ft long and a bit of a struggle to move around to exhibitions etc.

 
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 05 February 2014, 17:53:46
Yes I know what you mean David, my work shop is up two flights of stairs and I struggle with the 4 footers.
Update on the moulding the casting came out OK so I did a second one just to make sure and that came out perfect ,well chuffed, and did a bit more on the power plant by making the rotor hub I am thinking of trying to make the blades folding I may be aiming a bit high there but we will see. Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: colin on 06 February 2014, 05:32:19
chapo...   ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: swiftdoc on 06 February 2014, 06:57:22
Yes, indeed :)
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Post by: paul swainson on 06 February 2014, 16:04:00
Hi Joe,  have now caught up with your build, and its looks very nice indeed, and boy are you moving along with the moulding of your own bits.  Nice work and I am watching with interest on that.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: colin on 06 February 2014, 18:57:38
will you try and take a mould of the motor..??
would be an interesting challenge, i am sure Ron could give you some pointers about split mould..
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Post by: radio joe on 06 February 2014, 21:01:00
Hi Colin, already thought of it the engine is in a mould at this time waiting to set, then I'll try a resin one and find out tomorrow how it comes out, it was a very fiddle thing to make out of odds and ends so I thought it would be handy if it works out to make it easier when I need another helicopter. Joe
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Post by: radio joe on 07 February 2014, 15:32:53
After a bit of a fiddle I made the main and tail rotors and made them folding, the engine casting came out quite well so much so I am going to use it on Mk 1. also made the skids and fitted them it is now ready for a paint job.
I made skids for Mk 1 because it was the easiest option, if I get the inspiration on Mk2,  I may try and make a wheeled under carrage, from the information I've managed to collect the Scout was retro fitted with a wheeled under carrage after it was used in a feasibility study on landing and carrying helicopters on warships and was fitted with fully castoring wheels so it could be pushed by crew on to the hanger lift, shorty after came the Wasp which had a longer flat area under the cockpit/engine to fit a longer wheel base for stability. Joe
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Post by: Tanzy on 07 February 2014, 15:58:57
Look very good Joe, not being picky but the helo should of landed the other way!  ???  Flyco is not happy
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 07 February 2014, 16:54:51
Words will be had with the pilot, no shore leave for him !. :'(
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Post by: mikearace on 07 February 2014, 20:29:49
Nice work indeed Joe.  Making me itch to get back to starting my next build. 

Hopefully I can get back into the workshop in the next couple of weeks once the new puppy requires less attention and the bite marks on my hand start to clear up!!  Getting up at 5 am each morning to answer the cries of 'wake up everyone I want to play'.  The older dog aint impressed! 

Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 07 February 2014, 20:54:05
 Thanks Mike, but please no more photos like that if er' in doors sees them she'll go all broody, for a puppy that is, LOL .  ;D
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Horatio123 on 08 February 2014, 10:25:50
Nice work on the Wasp Joe , I like the folding rotor blades , nice touch .  ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: swiftdoc on 08 February 2014, 10:34:08
@Mike & Joe: Nevertheless I will take the risk and show the photo to my wife and daughters. ;D
@Joe: I appreciate your job on the heli very much. Maybe I will buy a moulding set as well. Your results are very impressive. I watch your progress with great interest.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: karlgalster on 08 February 2014, 13:15:03
Very impressive work on the moulding Joe - an inspiration to those of us who have held back on this.
Robin
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Post by: radio joe on 08 February 2014, 20:49:48
Thanks for your interest chaps, there is another reason for the folding rotors David, as well as an alternative display, I wanted to stow the helicopter in side the boat for transporting and it will fit snugly under the forward funnel in a purpose made stowage so it doesn't rattle about in the boat
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 11 February 2014, 16:33:28
Had a bit of a cold the last couple of days and haven't felt like doing much,and as all us males know man colds are soooo much worse, LOL. but got back to it today and finished the stowage for the heli. it just clips into the foam rubber, also did a bit of painting
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Post by: mikearace on 11 February 2014, 20:19:18
Nifty solution Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: swiftdoc on 12 February 2014, 07:36:33
You can be proud of your result, Joe. How will you do the windows? Bare metal foil might be an option. I used it for the windows of the lifeboats of my Muirneag. From a distance it looks quite realistic.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 12 February 2014, 14:17:14
Thanks Arno, yes I agree with you, I wasn't happy with the windows, tried a bit of foil but some of the windows are compound curved so the foil had wrinkles in it and looked a mess so I settled for charcoal grey paint with some metallic silver mixed in, from a distance the effect is not too bad,, I'm happy that I've achieved what I set out to do and have a representation of a helicopter similar to what would have been carried by Zulu albeit with skids instead of wheels, it could do with some royal navy decals in 1:100  to finish it off, but have'nt found any yet, and I won't ruin the whole thing by trying to paint them on.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: swiftdoc on 12 February 2014, 15:04:52
Hi Joe, the result looks OK. Wrinkles surely are a problem with the foil. My windows luckily did not have such curves.
Have you ever tried to make decals yourself? I use decal paper for ink jet printers and it works very fine. You produce the file on your computer and then print it on the paper. Covered with a special decal varnish you then can use it as you usually do, i.e. apply softener, etc. For my next build, the E.S.F. Surveyor, I scanned the self adhesives in the kit which I do not want to use and transferred them on waterslide-decal-paper. The method also cures your nerves: if you make a fault, you can easily print a new set. ;D
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Post by: ship's doctor on 12 February 2014, 16:17:22
Helicopter looks brilliant- raising the bar again!!

I think the silver paint approach on the windows looks good. Another approach I've seen is to use gloss black which is effective for smaller windows but probably not for the large curved ones on the Wasp.

James 
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Post by: radio joe on 12 February 2014, 16:24:33
Hi Arno and James, thanks for your comments,
 Never tried it though I have heard of printing decals, one thing that puzzles me is I need "ROYAL NAVY" plus some numbers in white, and I don't have white ink in my printer so I guess maybe some printers do. Joe.
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Post by: kamus on 12 February 2014, 16:37:11
I believe there is such a thing as white decal paper that allows you to do that without a special printer or ink.

For instance: http://www.testors.com/product/136937/9202/_/Decal_Paper_-_White (http://www.testors.com/product/136937/9202/_/Decal_Paper_-_White) may work.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 12 February 2014, 16:59:29
Hi Dave, surely transfer paper has to be transparent so when on the model you see the printed bit and not the paper. joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: kamus on 12 February 2014, 18:19:42
Hi Joe- it sounds confusing to me too and I've never done it but I saw this that suggests that you can print white decals using a method they describe.

http://www.mcgpaper.com/modeldecals.html (http://www.mcgpaper.com/modeldecals.html)
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: swiftdoc on 12 February 2014, 18:42:11
I have two different sorts of paper: one transparent and the other white. If you want only white lettering you have to use the transparent one. My printer does print a very light grey - nearly looks like white. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 12 February 2014, 19:05:23
Thanks guys, I'll have a play with my printer and see what's possible
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: swiftdoc on 13 February 2014, 07:05:19
Hi Joe, I think I was mistaken, sorry for that. I checked it with the laser printer in the office today: it does not work to print white on transparent paper. The light grey shade was because the background of the model is white. If you want only white lettering, you will have to buy it I suppose.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 13 February 2014, 13:26:29
Yes Arno, that what I was my conclusion, I can see how the white paper works by printing the back ground colour of the model, but I would think near impossible to get the exact shade with so many variables.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: colin on 13 February 2014, 15:56:37
i do not know how he does it, but this guy makes Decals (waterslide transfers) to order.... white on transparent... ^^^
have used him in the past, and i know the owner personally...

http://www.accribis.de/seite_frameset_modellbau.htm (http://www.accribis.de/seite_frameset_modellbau.htm)

sorry the site is in German
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 15 February 2014, 16:47:48
Well even not speaking German it's easy to see he is one clever guy.
I found some stick on BECC vinyl letters on the Maritime Models site, they are just 2mm. extreamly fiddley to apply but just the effect I wanted, I knew you could get sizes down to 3mm. but they would have been too large, Steve kindly sent a Becc catalogue with the letters which was posted very quick, they do an amazing amont of detailing graphics.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 15 February 2014, 19:33:06
Impressive Joe, and nice to see the pilot is now following standing orders. ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 16 February 2014, 15:56:05
Standing Orders!  Its a long time since I have had the said.  But when read always kepted you in line. Ha Ha. :police:
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 16 February 2014, 18:38:46
I used to love reading the fleet port guide that arrived in the Captains Office and Regulating Office onboard before you visited a new port.  Towards the end it had a small section that started...............

The following places are out of bounds to all naval personnel..............


This was then added to Daily Orders printed on the old Gestetner Printing Machine.  That was the bit that everyone read first and made a bee line for.  If it was out of bounds it had to be for a damn good reason which was often a damn good reason to go.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 16 February 2014, 21:37:11
And whilst copying it. . Some ormig fluid and orange juice!
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 19 February 2014, 17:36:04
Gradually adding fittings as I paint them, still quite a few to do, and as I always do leaving the railings till last.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Dennis on 20 February 2014, 01:50:20
Wow Joe, another fine build. Really like the look of the wood decks. One to be proud of. ^^^ ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 25 February 2014, 17:46:41
Thanks Dennis,   Made up some of her many whip arials , and I have her Gemini's ready, as I have a few cast, Zulu is getting two, ( maybe on special ops)  :wink1:, it also helps to fill up her aft deck, I think I'll leave the arials till last I can see me keep catching them while fitting the railings.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 28 February 2014, 15:16:27
Most of the fittings are done now, the aerials will be fitted after the railings, there are four lockers which I am going to fit close to the railings so to make painting the railings easier I'll fit them last, I had a couple of spare cable reels so made them into fire hoses, I guess she would have had some, they may not be in the right place as no doubt a few other things but I don't worry too much about being historically correct.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Dennis on 28 February 2014, 15:26:52
Looking really nice Joe, I always like that part of the build. Adding the fittings always seems to bring it to life.  ^^^ ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Horatio123 on 28 February 2014, 17:25:04
Hi Joe .

       She is coming along very nicely . Look forward to seeing her completed .
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: swiftdoc on 28 February 2014, 20:27:20
Hi Joe, very nice progress  ^^^ ^^^ The Details are eye catching :)
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 02 March 2014, 14:27:36
As the quality of the work you do Joe has seen the model grow from bear bones to a fine model with lots of the personal input.  I have to say this model looks great and the additions of your Owen builds have made it one of a kind.   Well done Joe and I look forward to the sea trails. ^^^ ^^^ Paul
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 02 March 2014, 18:53:59
Thank you all for your kind comments, I made a start on the railings to day, I've used the white metal single stanchions in a couple of places but they are so fragile, I prefer the brass etchings, I'll get her in the wet dock in the week to finalise the ballast.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Sparker on 04 March 2014, 17:35:42
Hello Joe,
I have been reading your notes and replies on the site regards ZULU build. I am new here today and having served on the ESKIMO i am thinking  of building the Nubian or Zulu as a first build. Just a couple of questions  if i may.
I noticed some of your posts regarding sanding of hull top and reinforcing the hull with bulkheads. Is this a necessity on the build or is it possible  to just go straight ahead and build the ship straight from the box? I would also like her to have the necessary running gear and R/C too which is also a new project for me.
I have a friend on the Tribals website that has built the Nubian and  offered any help i might need, but haven`t spoken  to him yet as to if he needed to make similar alterations too.
Do you think i would be taking on too much as a new build or are the instructions very informative with advice?
I would like to take it on as a first build regardless but was a bit concerned with the above posts of yours regards the bulkheads etc and sanding.
I have patience and plenty of time to take as much time as i want, and would like to buy either the ZULU OR NUBIAN and do the necessary alterations to make it the Eskimo.
Advice would be most appreciated.
Thanks,
KEVIN
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 04 March 2014, 21:54:42
Hi Kevin, The main thing to remember about Deans kits is that they are not like Airfix or Trumpeter kits that fit together with location points and fit together by numbers etc. You do have to "build" them, you get a rather nice grp hull that is light but strong, some trays of resin and white metal fittings and some brass etchings, the decks and superstructure are sheets of plastic card there is a fare amount of measuring and cutting to do, and assembling with Cyrano or polyglue, you will need motors, speed controller radio gear etc. If you have never built a model boat before, I would study the build logs on this forum I have done three Solebay, Bramble and Zulu, in which I've tried to point out some of the pit falls a novice could face, I'm in no way trying to put you off, but they aren't cheap and it's as well you know what you are taking on.
You mentioned the fitting of bulkheads etc. If you were building as a static display model you could probably omit these but as a working sailing model it would be better to fit them, they add structure and strength, I hope this is helpful, if you decide to build one there is always plenty of help on this forum. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 06 March 2014, 17:32:32
Got the railings finished today and part painted, I'll fit the davits after painting the railings, just ordered the upgrade ships boats that have a lot more detail than the vacuforms,still need to finalise the ballast, she has no ballast at this time, apart from the batteries, running gear,
and the servomorphs and she floats almost on her water line, but she has got the large piece of ply wood I fitted in her base at the start to stiffen and flatten the bottom, I don't think she will need much more. Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Horatio123 on 06 March 2014, 18:37:53
She is looking really good Joe . Excellent work . Look forward to seeing her at the show in June !
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 06 March 2014, 19:37:37
She is a work of art and pure pleasure to see her completed.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 07 March 2014, 13:53:41
Thanks guys, still pottering about, a little more railing paint to apply, then I'll fit the davits and all her whip aerials and ships boats, plus I have the jack and ensign staff to make and occasionally I think of little enhancements to add that personal touch like the intercom hand set on the emergency conning position, albeit a bit off scale, but what the heck it pleases me. today like David, I thought I'd better dust off Solebay and Bramble for the SWA show this weekend so I got buzzy with a 1/2" soft brush it's then you realise just how much clutter these WW2 ships had, it would be much easier to clean a type 45 LOL.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: mikearace on 07 March 2014, 20:51:46
Lovely classy build as always Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: karlgalster on 08 March 2014, 11:39:37
Very nice model Joe. Your postings are very informative - well done.
Robin
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 10 March 2014, 15:14:58
Thanks for comments,   One of the guys at the Surface Warship Association sent me some super photos of Zulu he took in 1984 with Gosport (my home town) in the background, it must have been just before her decommissioning, (The poor old girl sure looks sea battered),  They were in full resolution so I can zoom in to pick out details and add to my Zulu, some are just small things but I like to think they make a difference, if only you could get photos like these of all the old ships, naturally the ones posted are low res. but if anyone is building a type 81 and would like full res copies you are more than welcome.  Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 10 March 2014, 19:45:26
Great shots with Dolphin in the background brought back happy memories  :smiley1:
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 10 March 2014, 23:00:01
The Photos are about Joe its  just finding them and asking people to post them.   I found a web site that deals with the full Naval base in Malta GC and has ships dated back to 1920.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 11 March 2014, 16:39:40
using the recent photos I'm changing and adding a few things to make her look more like she was near the end of her Royal navy service, like the EPIRBs alongside each lifebelt (the life belts were orange by then but I'm not going to try painting them insitu) and she had canister life rafts where her decoys were, and a few other bits like trunking and conduits that show up quite clearly, the away boats haven't arrived yet.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 13 March 2014, 17:38:45
I made a aerial to match the one in the photos on the front of the bridge roof and a base to carry it, and also fitted the boat davits and the whip aerials, the away boats arrived yesterday and I have started painting them.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: colin on 14 March 2014, 06:19:47
she does look nice Joe  ^^^

Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 14 March 2014, 17:07:22
Thanks Colin,   
A few more bits done today, jack and ensign staffs, and repositioned her name to the stern quarters as in the photos.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Horatio123 on 14 March 2014, 19:46:29
Joe ,
just for info ,
R N ships have the name in red on the stern quarter and a name in gold on a polished wood board displayed on the superstructure when in port (often located near to the gangway location )  it is removed at sea.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 15 March 2014, 15:20:20
Got her in the wet dock today and now all her superstructures and fittings are in place it was not very stable, it is always surprising how much ballast the 4 footers need, this time she needed an extra 2 pounds of lead, to get stability but it lowered her to just above her boot topping, so I am now redoing the boot topping and raising it 1/4" I thought it best to sacrifice a bit of free board for stability.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 17 March 2014, 16:39:17
finished redoing the boot topping, and managed to damage the hull pennant number transfers with the masking tape,( just didn't think of it), so I've removed them all and ordered some vinyl pennant numbering from Maritime Models, along with a pack of 1:96 warning signs to see what they are like, thought they might add a bit of interest, fitted her away boats today after a fiddly bit of painting (not my strong point) but passable. 
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 17 March 2014, 20:30:37
Hi Joe Like the away boats from the same place as last time.  I like the detail in them and as I have some 12 to do for mine am looking. 
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 18 March 2014, 10:31:26
Hi Paul, Just in case I didn't mention it before the away boats are, Quaycraft ships boats (royal navy), from cornwallmodelboats.co.uk  listed under Model boat and ships fittings, they have just about all the scales.  Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 18 March 2014, 13:30:03
The range of away boats on Illustrious goes from a 16 ft fast motor dinghy, to 25,35 and 36ft fast motor boats, also 27 and 32 ft boats. Some 12 boats in total.  So looking around and will speak with Ron on what he has to cover the range.  I found the ones I did for Solebay were hard work to make but did turn out well, but 12 of them!
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 18 March 2014, 15:56:11
Hi Paul, I don't think Ron does them which is why I got mine from  www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk (http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk) in the Quaycraft 1:96 royal navy, the range is from a 14 foot dinghy up to a 32 foot motor cutter certainly all the sizes you mentioned, and good quality, pics  are  16FT fast motor boat, 25FT fast motor boat, 32FT motor cutter. you can also get them from The Model dockyard,   if that helps. Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 19 March 2014, 14:01:58
Hi Joe,  Had a look and could not see any 35 and 36ft motor boats,  but I must say the detail on the ones listed are very good.  I will have a look at the other sight and also John Haynes has also be mentioned.  I will chat to Ron about what he has too.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 19 March 2014, 16:19:42
Hi Paul, I had not realised lusty had 35 & 36 Ft. boats I've not seen any of that size,

Zulu is now sporting her new pennant numbers with the white out line, I like the look of them, also got the 1:96 warning signs, true you need a magnifying glass to read some of them but I think they are a nice touch.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: ship's doctor on 19 March 2014, 17:07:48
Another excellent build Joe- I like the warning signs, all adds interest!

I have used the 35ft fast motor boats from John Haynes but I'm a little concerned about the weight as they are solid resin. So might need to replace them with vac-formed. I've not found a the RN 36 ft boat online...
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 19 March 2014, 18:13:54
Hi James, the 35 & 36 Ft. Boats are for Paul's lusty at about 8Ft long I don't think the weight will be a problem, judging from the ballast in my 4 footers I'm thinking she'll need at least 5 pounds of ballast.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 21 March 2014, 16:51:57
Another two whip aerials on her bridge roof is the last of them, she has nine whips and a hoop, now just pottering around adding little details as I think of them, as soon as there is a nice calm day I'll get her to the pond for trials.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: swiftdoc on 21 March 2014, 17:16:38
Very nice, Joe ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ Good luck for the sea trials. I hope they are a success like mine were with the Muirneag!
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 22 March 2014, 11:11:33
Thanks Arno, Yes committing months of work to a lake that's about 4 foot deep is quite daunting, so with this in mind I thought I'd do one more wet dock test after installing her main ballast, I'm glad I did as she still had a slight list to starbrd. another 15 grams out board of the port battery in a space between the hull and the battery box cured it, so now I'm happy that it will be safe to do the "sea" trials.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: swiftdoc on 22 March 2014, 14:17:21
In the bath tub she looks perfectly balanced. But that was the same with my Muirneag and other models - out on the pond I found that some correction was needed. So take some lead with you to the pond and good luck!!!!
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Horatio123 on 22 March 2014, 18:06:13
Looking good Joe . Good luck with the sea trials . Swifdoc is right as I can tell you from practical experience you might need a bit more ballast when you get on the lake.  ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 22 March 2014, 19:06:04
Nice Build Joe, The one problem with my build is that the bath is too small, will need a swimming pool.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 22 March 2014, 19:56:19
Had not thought of that Paul, dose er in doors know she's getting a pool yet, LOL.

Sea trials will be carried out with great care, in calm conditions, so I can see how she handles without too much input by the weather, I usually run up and down the pond a couple of feet from the edge for some time so if the worst happens at least I can retrieve her, if she handles as well as Solebay I'll be well pleased.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 22 March 2014, 20:49:41
No Joe, she has no idea of what is happening but I can say I know your bath very well and feel part of it!!
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 23 March 2014, 12:38:44
I'm fitting out Zulu loosely based on what she was like in 1983/84, and from memory of working in the ship building industry from 1977 on, the health and safety issues we have today were starting to become prevalent in the eighties, so to that end I made some fire extinguishers and placed them throughout the decks along with safety signage for various hazards that we are all so used to, next I'm going to try to tackle the curtains on the turrets.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 25 March 2014, 22:48:35
I've had a go at tackling the turret curtains using tissue paper, very fragile not easy to work, they are not brilliant but passable, I wanted them to look "used" and maybe a bit tatty and I think tatty about covers them, anyway she's about finished and awaiting trials.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: FJF on 02 May 2014, 00:11:06
Perfect build! Impressive work on details.  ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 02 May 2014, 13:47:45
Thanks Frank, coming from a modeller such as yourself it means a lot, Still waiting for some ideal weather to do "sea" trials on Zulu, I tend to do trials on flat calm water with little or no wind so I can see what the boat's doing without in put from the weather, once I'm happy with the stability she can sail in slightly rougher conditions, the lake I use is home to the Gosport model yacht club and is ideal for them as there is nearly always wind there which is inclined to make the surface choppy and makes a 1:96 warship bounce rather unscaled like so I wait patiently. Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: acaetano on 08 May 2014, 11:16:22
Dear Joe
I'm writing from Portugal.
Many thanks for "teaching" me with my Zulu build. Zulu was my first scale project  after a all plastic Perkasa and I think I achieve a reasonable level of accuracy and finnaly I have a "nice"model.
I have one question concerning how can I secure the structures to the hull ? I'm afraid that with a bit more wind the structs fall off the deck !
Some are tight fit others a bit loose.
Thanks in advance for your help
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 08 May 2014, 12:46:18
Hi, Acaetano,
There are several ways to hold structures down, but I always use a rubber band system in which a rubber band of a suitable size is attached to the underside of the deck hatch and with the aid of a wire hook is stretched over a peg in the bottom of the boat while the hatch is held to one side the elastic then holds the hatch firmly in place, if you look in my HMS Bramble log, page 5 there are some photos of how I do mine, hope this helps, it would be good to see some photos of your Zulu.  Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 14 May 2014, 14:19:19
At last I felt the weather was good enough for sea trials this morning, got to the lake where the water was fairly flat and just an occasional breeze, lowered her in the water and she looked quite at home there, her performance was admirable, maneuverability was excellent, at full on rudder and a fair amount of power she almost pivots on the spot, I think being a single shaft/ single rudder has something to do with that as the prop has a direct effect on the rudder as oppose to a single rudder between two shafts, I did notice that when the breeze did blow it had the effect of tilting and pushing her sideways when she had no way under her, probably her high bridge and bedstead, although this was not enough to be alarming I felt if a gust was to catch her on a turn we might have another USS McNair incident, (sorry David I expect you would rather forget that) so I think it would be prudent to add a little more ballast to her bilges for the next sailing, I think there is enough boot topping showing to get away with it.  Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: swiftdoc on 14 May 2014, 15:20:58
Hi Joe!

She looks really beautiful on the water. It was surely worth all the efforts you made. Congratulations from Germany ^^^ ^^^ ^^^

Kind regards - Arno
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 14 May 2014, 16:05:44
Thanks for your kind comments Arno,
I Have now added another 8 ounces of lead to the bilge about amidships and tried her in the wet dock I got away without moving the boot topping again and I'm sure this will be better. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Tanzy on 14 May 2014, 19:25:12
Looks fantastic in the water, good job Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: colin on 15 May 2014, 05:42:16
nice Job Joe..   ^^^ ^^^ looks very much at home... but the next photo must have the helicopter on her deck..  ::DD :grin1:
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 15 May 2014, 15:17:08
Thanks Colin, the heli was on board stowed inside, I've just got to find a covert way of attaching it to the hanger deck so I don't loose it  :'(
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 15 May 2014, 16:09:49
OK Colin you inspired me to do one of the little finishing touches one tends to forget about keeping the heli in place, the solution was simple two stirrups to lift and slid the skids in, hardly noticed when painted, so next trial her helicopter will be in commission.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: kit on 30 May 2014, 14:55:35
Hi Joe

A great build, been using your experience as research for my own.  On question though - you have powered the 965 and the 978 and the rotation speeds should be about 12 and 25 RPM each.  There seem to be plenty of motors that can handle 25 rpm but did the one you used on the 965 get down to 12 rpm ish?

My hull was also convex - grrrr  >:(.  Flat bottom hulls aren't that stable to start with and a convex shape just makes the problem a whole lot worse - maybe something for Ron to sort out at the moulding stage, hint hint  ::DD. 

Anyway, I didn't want to use ply to flatten out the hull as wood floats so ply would raise both the centre of gravity and the centre of bouyancy so I used brass which also allowed me to achieve a slight concave shape to the hull which has got to be an improvement.

Finally, I didn't think that there was any chance I'd be able to get my meathooks into the deck access holes so I'm modifying the design so I can lift out the whole of 01 deck and 1 deck aft of 01 deck so I have full access to everything.  I did this with a Rothesay a couple of years ago and it works well so more on this later.  In the meantime, here are a couple of photos on the build so far

Cheers

Kit 
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 30 May 2014, 15:46:50
Hi Kit,
Good to see another type 81 build, I'll follow with interest, The 965 I've clocked at 11 rpm, which looks about right, the 978 is roughly twice the speed and again looks about right I could twink them a bit, but hardly worth the bother, they each have their own motor from Action Electronics as shown on page 8, I think, and are powered separately from the main batteries by two 1.5volt in parallel to give some endurance ,both run in tandem and are turned on or off from the TX. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: kit on 30 May 2014, 17:17:34
Thanks Joe

I saw the photos of the motor layout but missed the bit about gearing down the 965 down a bit further  using a tyre.

Cheers

Kit
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Horatio123 on 31 May 2014, 12:34:24
Hi Joe .
      Pleased to hear that initial trials did not give any problems . Looks good on the water too .
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: kit on 06 June 2014, 14:03:24
My own build continues with nothing further to add to Joe's excellent commentary - just a couple of heads up for potential pitfalls that others may encounter.  The kit has just been modded so my experience may be different to Joe's but three problems to watch out for - the first two are simple to spot, the third would result in the midships superstructure being built upside-down and a significant expansion in my wife's vocabulary if I hadn't spotted it early enough it......

1.  The location markings for the wasp lift cover on the hangar roof are in the wrong place - the fore & aft is fine but it should be amidships.

2.  The nav radar location on the bridge superstructure should be fore and aft, not port/starboard

3.  The biggy - the "this side down" marking on the midships superstructure former is wrong, it should read "this side UP"!!!! 

Cheers

Kit
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 06 June 2014, 15:32:25
Hi Kit,  yes now you mention it I do recall an anomaly with the mid structure, the dotted lines on the deck plan shows the angled side wall on the port side but the indicated deck opening puts it on the strbd side, I went by the deck opening when building the mid structure the angled wall is on the strbd side, Deans kits do keep you thinking but ultimately make you a better modeler  ::DD ^^^

PS.  the angled wall on the strbd side is correct as you can see in this photo of the port side showing a corner instead of a angle. ;)
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: kit on 02 September 2014, 21:23:47
Got so busy building that I forgot to update the board but first a huge vote of thanks to Joe, my own build would have been a lot more challenging without the insights and tips provided.

Anyway, I didn't come across any more major problems with the instructions but I have to be honest, the quality of the resin castings left a great deal to be desired, sorry Ron, but you really need to sort this out.  It may make Joe a better modeller but it just made me a really grumpy one - I did feel a bit like the guy who bought a dog and spent all night barking ???.  And my wife has learned loads of new nautical expressions relating to resin castings! 

Anyway, on a more positive note, the build is now complete, its model is great and sails superbly.  The main reason for writing this post is that in some areas I took a different approach to Joe that others may be interested in.

First, the use of a brass plate instead of ply makes it really easy to glue gear to the bottom of the hull.

Next, I modded the design so I could remove 01 deck and everything aft of where 01 deck drops to 1 deck.  To do this I used pine as the support beams as it strong enough to hold a thread and increased the width to about 1/2 inch.  This also helps to keep the water out which as been enhanced with a smear of vaseline.  The joints were 'covered up' with 1/8 inch semi circle rod which also improves the watertight integrity as water ingress now has to go via a Z bend as opposed to an L bend.  It only needs 12 screws to bolt the whole lot up which is a bit tedious but fully compensated for by the access.  On reflection, 1/8 inch is probably a bit think so next time I will use 2.5mm, or maybe even 2mm.

I didn?t like Joe?s design for the turret as I couldn?t see how he kept the water out where the servo head went through the deck.  Instead, I used some 2mm rod and tube to connect the turret to a servo which I mounted (almost!) in the bilge.  I connected the servo to the turret using a 2mm collar glued to the servo arm head which I didn?t screw on which means I can separate the turret from the servo head and the servo head from the servo.  I used a HXT900 micro servo which can be modified to a 180o rotation using a couple of resistors wired across the potentiometer ? instructions are on YouTube much cheaper than a servomorph and, IMHO,works a lot better. 

I took a slightly different approach to the radars from Joe using a Jotika 1/298 gear reduction motor for the 965, a 1/198 motor for the 993 and the action electronics radar motor for the 293, all powered by two NIMH AA?s in parallel.  The Jotika motor mounts are laminated to give stop the plastruct flexing and the motors are screwed on using a bit of wood glued on to the motor.  Yes, I know the 293 shouldn?t be on the bridge roof but I liked the idea of three rotating radars and it?s my boat so the bits go where I want  ^^^

The figures are 1/100 railway figures from eBay ? ?3.99 inc P&P for 100, chuck away the girls (unless you have a post 1995(?) build), a coat of paint and loads of jolly jack...

I also chopped out the anchor mounts and built recessed versions, a great improvement on the original moulding ? many thanks for the idea Joe.

I have rebadged the ship as Mohawk ? too many F124?s about!  And yes, I know Mohawk was never modded for Seacat (always assuming early versions of Seacat could considered an improvement on anything), the navigation radar is in the wrong place, the flight deck lettering should be white, no hand rails (all I do is knock them off and stick them back on again) and God alone knows what else ? but like I said, my ship, my rules.

Anyway, that?s all I can think of for the time being - time for OOW manoeuvres with the Berwick.  If anyone wants any more details on what I have done, drop me a line

Cheers

Kit

Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 02 September 2014, 23:46:56
Good to see her finished Kit, you've done a great job on her, it just goes to show there are many different ways of building these kits with a bit of imagination. ^^^
Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: FJF on 11 November 2014, 12:37:09
Hi Joe,

Fantastic build! Did you ever consider to make her a star in a short video clip?
I am sure she would look fantastic.

Regards,

Frank
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 11 November 2014, 16:02:55
Nice build Kit, like the different ideas and as always you are the skipper and as you say its your ship, hope to see her in the water. ^^^   Paul
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: minerva on 11 November 2014, 19:29:27
"Throw away the girls pre 1995!!"
Wrens went to sea in 1990 in HM ships Brilliant, Invincible, Juno and Battleaxe.
Try throwing away the girls now !
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 11 November 2014, 22:42:17
"Throw away the girls pre 1995!!"
Wrens went to sea in 1990 in HM ships Brilliant, Invincible, Juno and Battleaxe.
Try throwing away the girls now !

Wouldn't dream of it Pauline.  ::DD ;D
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Brian Dobinson on 16 November 2014, 13:00:50
Hi Gents. I am building the Zulu too. I served on her from 76 to 78 so trying to make the model as she was when I was on her! 2 questions, 1, I dont remember the quarterdeck veing green, I am sure it was grey? Any ideas? I have searched my photos but deck colour is not obvious!

2, when you drill out the portholes on the model, what do you fill them with please?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Brian
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 16 November 2014, 16:19:20
Hi Brian,

I can not confirm the colour of the deck other then I too painted the deck on HMS Solebay green, not grey.  I was told that when seen from the air it blends in with the sea.
As for the port holes, when drilled out to 3mm you can either plug them with cut brass tubing and then fill the tube with clear epoxy glue and when dry paint them all black. you will see that in the written instruction supplied with the kit or in the build log for either Joe or my builds of HMS Solebay.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Brian Dobinson on 16 November 2014, 16:24:54
Very many thanks Paul
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 16 November 2014, 17:19:04
Hi Brian,  hope you enjoy your build, the deck may well have been grey in the seventies, my Zulu is as she was in 1984 just before decommissioning as with every part of the ship the decks were maintained and repaired throughout her life and recoated with nonslip finishes, the portholes in 1:96 scale I prefer to keep them understated and simple I just drill a 3mm hole with a sharp bit and then slightly countersink them just enough to put a "rim" round them, then after the painting is done cover the back of the holes with tape carefully fill the hole with clear epoxy I use a cocktail stick as a dropper, naturally have the hull on it's side so all the holes are flat.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Troy Tempest on 16 November 2014, 17:28:58
Hi Brian
I'm building Zulu as well, albeit slowly. I was on RFA Tarbatness in Late 77 early 78 during our deployment to Australia. I've searched through my photos, but the only one showing the quarterdeck is in B&W so I'm afraid I can't shed any light on that for you.
The late 70's were the period when decks were gradually changing from Green to Grey, I seem to remember Grey decks first appearing in about 1979.
One thing I've learned over the years about researching models is that memory plays tricks on us and also that colour reproduction in photos has so many variables its hard to pin down what colour is actually accurate
I attach some photos for interest
One of HMS Nubian showing a Red Lead fo'c'sle and quarterdeck just for curiosity
One of Zulu in the Med with a Green fo'c's'le - sadly I don't have one of the quarterdeck.  Taken from RFA Olwen
and lastly one of RFA Gold Rover and HMS Ardent taken by RN Phot in 1979, Ardent has Grey decks, Goldie has a mixture, if you look closely the superstructure decks are still Green!
Good luck with your build and also your research - if you find an answer do let us all know!
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: minerva on 16 November 2014, 19:58:28
Zulu was sporting a green quarterdeck when I helped sell it to the Indonesians back in the mid 80's.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Brian Dobinson on 16 November 2014, 20:11:25
Very many thanks everyone!. This is my first Deans Marine build, and I am really enjoying it! Took me 5 years to get it out of the box, but well underway now!
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Troy Tempest on 17 November 2014, 16:37:01
I can "Black Cat" that, I bought mine in about 1986!
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: minerva on 17 November 2014, 19:59:59
I thought that was the definition of a "Tiffy" - can work out the cubic capacity of a jam jar , but can't get the lid off"
Perhaps the box was made of sterner stuff !!!
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: pete(digger) on 08 December 2014, 19:55:51
im trying to rebuild/repair hms nubion and have got 2 decks painted diffrent colours, 1 green the other grey, whats correct? can remmber hms achilles (group 8 far east deployment) and her decks were green!
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: paul swainson on 13 December 2014, 15:26:37
As mentioned on page 20 of this build Green is the most likely colour, so as one has been done that colour match the other and you will be OK. ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 13 December 2014, 16:30:32
Hi Pete
In the eighties HMS Zulu had the bridge deck and part of the quarter deck up to the mortar station planked, a section of deck at the bows was red oxide, the remainder  was green, I can't say whether HMS Nubian was the same but as sister ships I would imagine she would have been. ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Troy Tempest on 13 December 2014, 17:19:42
As you can see from the photos below, Zulu's focsle was green in 1977 (when I took these)
Interestingly on close examination the areas painted black beneath the anchor cables (normally lines a little wider than the cables themselves to mask wear on the deck) appear to have been painted as one large rectangle across a large part of the deck!
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: minerva on 13 December 2014, 19:44:22
Usually the Scotsman ( The patterned doubler plate covering the deck below the cable working area)
 is painted a different colour to the surrounding deck. Perhaps in this case just just joined both areas of
black paint. Things changed over a few months depending on who was running the FX party I assume.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: walkingman on 14 December 2014, 00:09:34
I was a member of Nubians crew from 1968 till she went for a refit in Rosyth in 1971. She had her metal decks painted green and the bridge decks and both the port and starboard waists were planked with the exception of the mortar well and flight deck which was non-slip black. The mortar well was green (painted it often enough). She also had a black band edged in white round the forward funnel during that period. The wasp was pennant No. 457.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 12 January 2015, 19:08:51
Hey Let Go Aft
I couldn't reply to your e-mail it seems your inbox is full , so here is the information you wanted,


I use Raboesch Exposed Propshaft with Support Bracket maintenance free and waterproof for Zulu I used a 4mm at 330mm long
shaft and a 154mm tube they are a bit pricy but I think worth it, just smear the shaft with grease on final assembly and that's it done, the shaft can be cut to suit as the inboard end is plain.

Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: let go aft on 12 January 2015, 20:22:59
Many thanks Joe. am struggling a bit with this part of the build.

Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 12 January 2015, 21:06:37
Post a couple of photos of the bit your having problems with so we can try and help.  :) ^^^
Joe
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: pete(digger) on 25 February 2015, 20:59:28
hi "let go aft" hows the build coming on? can i ask if when youve finished biulding her, might i have the paperwork (plns/buildsheet) please for my rebuild? many thanks, pete
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Brian Dobinson on 17 March 2015, 14:50:38
Sorry guys, some one may have asked this already, but, what grey paint have you used for the hull and superstructure? I have Halfords grey primer, but I think it is a bit dark, and not true UK warship battleship grey!

Any suggesions?
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 17 March 2015, 17:12:05
Hi Brian
I used Humrol acrylic 129 gull grey on Zulu hand brushed, and I'm using Ford poplar grey spray paint on my present non Deans Type 42 build, no doubt rivet counters will tell you these are the wrong colours etc. But remember use what you are happy with, I prefer a slightly weathered look hence the lighter gull grey.  ::DD
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Brian Dobinson on 17 March 2015, 17:56:26
Thank you very much for that, I presume the ford grey paint is available in Halfords?
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 17 March 2015, 18:17:32
Yes Brian the Ford Poplar grey is available at Halfords and best used over grey primer. ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Brian Dobinson on 17 March 2015, 19:02:47
Cheers Joe, much appreciated
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: kit on 10 May 2015, 14:05:49
Hi Joe

Can I pick your brains a sec?  I had my Tribal out today (first time without much wind)  and I noticed that when I wound on the power I get a progressively greater list to starboard once I was exceeding a scale speed of 15 knots or so.  Based on the square root of the scale and a guess as to how fast I was walking! 

I have a suspicion that it might be motor torque and I was wondering if you had the same problem?  If so, how did you fix it?

I have a 545 in there swinging a 35mm prop on a direct drive system so I may have to go down to a smaller motor or prop or both but I thought that I would ask around before splashing out.  Pardon the pun...

Cheers

Kit

Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 10 May 2015, 14:37:35
Hi Kit
way too much motor in that hull, if it were a twin shaft you might have got away with it as the torque from each motor contra rotating cancels each other out I only have a Deans Kondor1 motor in mine turning a 40mm five blade prop, ample speed and no torque effect.  ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: kit on 10 May 2015, 14:50:19
Thanks Joe

I know, but I always have too much power.  I don't have to use it and came in handy in an emergency a year or so ago with my Cossack.  Didn't think about the torque point on a single screw though.

I thought that the Kondors were limited to a 30mm prop, must have been misinformed somewhere.  Can you just confirm it is a Kondor 1 and not a Kondor 11?  Finally, how much voltage have you got powering the motor?  Last question I promise!

Cheers

Kit
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 10 May 2015, 15:42:28
Yes kit it's the standard Kondor running on two 3300 mah 7.4 volt nimh batts and drives the 40mm. 5 skew bladed prop, with no problems, after an hours running the motor is just warm, they are quite a powerful little motor without transferring the torque to the hull, but don't be put off by the Kondors size my Zulu can really shift when needed.  ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: kit on 10 May 2015, 16:39:07
Thanks for your help Joe, time to invest in another Kondor....

Cheers

Kit

Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 11 May 2015, 10:42:14
Hi Kit
Sorry I've just checked back in the build and it's a Kondor 2,  ::DD
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: kit on 12 May 2015, 19:46:25
Thanks Joe - haven't ordered anything yet, need to butter up the boss before another package arrives full of boat bits!
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Anatole3 on 27 May 2015, 16:59:56
hi Joe
I am a newbie at this could you please tell me what glues
you used I have made a lot of aircraft using epoxy and super glue
train models with contact and PVA and before I start my Zulu and turn her into
Eskimo I want to make sure I am  using the Correct sticky stuff
I have been reading your posts on here they've helped
to get me started.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 27 May 2015, 21:11:02
Hi Anatole, the main glues I used on Zulu and all my builds for that matter, is 5 minute epoxy, 30 minute epoxy, and Cyanoacrylate, but I've found not all superglues are equal some I've tried I found not that good, but I've found the one I now use all the time it's Admiralty glues professional thin, a bit more expensive than the standard but well worth it, just assemble the joint and run the thin glue in using the capillary method and it's like the joint is welded all the glues are available from www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk
Hope this helps.  ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Anatole3 on 27 May 2015, 22:55:01
Hi Joe

Thanks for that I have just ordered enough to do this I hope one other thing I don't want sea cats
I want two Bofors as Eskimo was like in 1966/ 1967 any ideas where I can get a couple of good looking
single 40/60  mounts I have found a wasp.
regards
tolly 
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 28 May 2015, 09:55:29
hi Tolly
1:96 fittings are a bit of job to find on the net, all I can suggest is to give Ron Dean a call they supply single bofors with some of their 1:96 kits, Deans are very helpful they may be able to supply you with a couple, the ones they list are 1:24  ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: rsm on 28 May 2015, 12:56:14
Try this for your bofors:
https://www.shapeways.com/product/N7F7Y9JNC/bofors-mkvii-1-96?li=search-results-1&optionId=55110754
For other 1/96th scale fittings you can try here:
http://www.westbourne-model.co.uk/acatalog/Royal_Navel_Fittings_1_96th_Scale_.html
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Anatole3 on 28 May 2015, 13:13:57
 :smiley1: hi guys many thanks when I get stuck with my build I can always yell help.
I have noticed there is a difference with the model and the UN modded
Eskimo the 293 radar is not on a square building its on small lattice mast I don't know
weather Zulu had the buildings after a refit to fit secat.
I have added a small diagram  showing the difference
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 28 May 2015, 16:34:42
Hi Tolly  not quite sure what you mean by 293 radar unless you meant the 993 low level radar, the mounting of which did indeed seem to vary, as all seven tribals were build at seven different yards variations in the builds were inevitable, and the plans for a model tend to be more generic using a bit of modellers licence, I always build to what I'm happy with. ::DD
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Anatole3 on 28 May 2015, 17:59:14
Hi Joe
in 67/78 before conversion to Seacat the Tribals had 4 radars the big bedstead on top was the 965
long  range air radar  metric radar the small cheese scanner half way up the main mast was the nav radar 978 very high definition (for those days) the one on the small mast was the 293 this was the GP radar last but not least was the 903 this was the gunnery radar linked to the MRS  3 targeting system.
sometime after I left her they changed the 293 to the 993 changed the nice cheese scanner to that horrible offset triangular thing spoilt the clean lines when they were lined up fore and aft.
 all the best
tolly

Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 28 May 2015, 19:16:59
I bow to your knowledge Tolly, is just I never came across any mention of a 293 radar when researching HMS Zulu.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Anatole3 on 28 May 2015, 19:31:04
Hi
I was a radio electrical mechanic for three years on Eskimo
my job was maintaining all the radar systems
I wish I could have stayed in.

regards
tolly 
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Anatole3 on 30 May 2015, 21:33:00
 :smiley1: Hi Joe

Just a quickie I have just been through my kit
and have the same problem as you had with
the hull being concave so I am going to make a
ply bottom to straighten it out .
Maybe I am stupid I have looked through all the docs
for a template to make the  bulkheads but cant find one
the ply decks I can transcribe from the plan  onto a sheet of ply.
but I am  at a loss to how I can make these if it was an aircraft id know what to do
maybe I can use a rule and compass and white card to make a template.
how did you do it
help
tolly
ps yours is a great build if mine turns out half as good I will be pleased.
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: kit on 31 May 2015, 10:23:10
Hi Tolly

I used brass instead of wood to flatten out the hull as it keeps the centre of gravity lower but that's just personal preference.  There is also a chain here on how to straigten hulls using a hair dryer at http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/index.php?topic=738.msg6079;topicseen#msg6079. 
 
Never tried it myself but that was only because I hadn't seen the thread.

I don't bother with bulkheads and I haven't had any problems with any of my builds but Joe is the expert for Zulu.  And others I suspect!

Cheers

Kit
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 31 May 2015, 13:41:42
Hi Tolly   I like to use bulkheads especially on non planted hulls like Zulu where the sides tend to be quite flexible so bulkheads act as stiffners
Once you have the bottom plate bonded in decide where you want the bulkheads check the  beam measurement at each bulkhead position with the plan, place a strut across the beam to the correct measurements and hold in place with masking tape or similar once all the positions are correct make a cardboard template of each bulkhead, I usually mark a centre line in side the hull that way you only need to make a half template and transfer to ply by marking one side of a centre line then flip over and mark the other, hope all this makes sense.  ::DD
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Anatole3 on 31 May 2015, 16:12:25
Thanks guys
The method you use makes sense it  stiffens up the hull which
is quite floppy.
will try  your method Joe let you know how it goes

tolly
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: kit on 31 May 2015, 16:32:20
I like Joe's method, makes sense and I may retrofit mine with with bulkheads - not too worried about the hull flexing but I would like to build in some watertight compartments as flotation chambers.

One small point in Joe's post - Joe has obviously managed to suss a symmetrical hull but I doubt that any of mine are even close   :-\.  Anyway, if you have any doubt about hull symmetry, make the template for both sides as flipping won't work
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 01 June 2015, 16:37:29
Hi guys, I'm not saying the half template method is a perfect fit,  with the varying surface of the glass lay up etc. But it's close enough with a little trimming to get a good enough fit to tack in place with Cyrano, I then bond in with a small fillet of P38 round the edge of the bulkhead. :wink1:
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Anatole3 on 05 June 2015, 19:51:33
 :smiley1:HI Guys
I have been beavering away at my Zulu the bottom deck now is in the hull it is square the prop shaft
is in just a bit of filling and sanding to do motor is attached and the rudder is in the method in the manual is too fiddly to support the brass shaft if you drill the hull then get a piece of 3/4 inch dowel rod
about half an inch long drill a hole in the centre put it over the rudder shaft and epoxy it in does the reinforcing and looks neat.
just finished printing some decals for F119 on clear inkjet paper look good
will finish the electrics tomorrow.
my other half thought id emigrated went down the shed at about 7 30 last night came back up to the house and it was nearly 1 o'clock.
time flies when you are having fun
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Anatole3 on 06 June 2015, 11:27:07
Hi
just found a wasp and Bofors same site
try here                    http://www.shapeways.com/search?q=1%2F96+bofors  Bofors  guns

here for the wasp   http://www.shapeways.com/product/TW3LULPQ6/westland-wasp-helicopter-kit-1-96

hope this helps
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: Anatole3 on 10 June 2015, 23:16:38
hi guys

just a quick question how much ballast (lead) do you have to put in these
and where do you put it .
ta in advance.
tolly
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: andy on 11 June 2015, 04:33:03
hi guys

just a quick question how much ballast (lead) do you have to put in these
and where do you put it .
ta in advance.
tolly

I let my main Batteries be my ballast.  This gave my a very good run time.  A single charge lasted most events I went to.

You find a picture showing he location of my batteries in my HMS Nubian on this web link

http://www.wmunderway.8m.com/cgi/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1187739060

Andy
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: radio joe on 11 June 2015, 13:54:39
hi guys

just a quick question how much ballast (lead) do you have to put in these
and where do you put it .
ta in advance.
tolly

Hi Tolly           
There is no definitive answer to your question, the batteries / running gear components you have used and where you have placed them will have a bearing on the amount of ballast and where it is placed, only a flotation test of your near completed boat will tell.
Once you have got the boat to near completion ie. With all the weighty bit's fitted and the water line marked try the hull in water without the superstructures on, add bits of lead keeping them as low and near the centre line as possible till the hull is floating level near the water line and upright, (no lists), now try the superstructures on and check the water line if it's ok carefully lift the boat out making sure not to move the lead now tack the ballast in place with spots of glue, I use PVA in case I ever want to move the ballast, I will say if this is your first boat you will be surprised just how much lead it will take. ::DD
Title: Re: HMS Zulu build
Post by: kit on 15 June 2015, 19:59:11
Hi Tolly

Joe is spot on with the basic principles.

Like Andy I let my ballast be the batteries as much as possible - my Tribal has 19AA NiMH's in there and I still had to add lead.

Lead wise I use motorbike wheel weights - they come in 60g strips but can be broken down into 5g bits.  Self adhesive and the glue is obviously waterproof.  I got 3Kg on eBay from a tyre dealer for about £20. 

One other thing to add - try to avoid adding ballast in either the bow or the stern.  Having weight at either extremity makes the boat less manoeuvrable as the inertia will resist the boat turning so try to keep the ballast as central as possible.

Oh yeah, one other thing with my Zulu - the waterline on my plan was not straight so best to check before you get busy with a paintbrush.... 

Initially I just measured the bow and stern waterline heights then joined the dots but the waterline was far too high amidships.  In the end I measured the waterline height amidships and then stretched it for and aft to the bow and stern which I think gives the right height.

Cheers

Kit