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Title: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 12 March 2013, 13:34:49
Hi .Well I've taken the next step and ordered my second kit from Deans, I have chosen HMS Bramble after a lot of thought and, like a lot of the members of this forum, I like to research the ship I am going to build, me and the wife were walking at Southsea ramparts in Portsmouth and came across the Algerine class memorial and I thought then not as glamorous as the big cruisers and destroyers but non the less very important little ships and given the task that most of them had to perform during the war I find it incredible that out of 111 built 105 survived the war years,(admittedly some were damaged) and were broken up in the fifty's and sixty's with two lasting till the seventy's.
So now looking forward to delivery of the kit and I intend to use the lessons I learnt during my solebay build to hopefully put in even more detail into bramble and firstly I want to try my hand at fitting exposed shafts with a- frame bearings, I seen some in the forum and they do look the business. anyway more to come when she arrives. ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: mikearace on 12 March 2013, 15:44:48
well good luck with the build Joe.  Have fancied an Algerine for a while and keep toying either with a Type 14 frigate or an Algerine but have two non Deans builds just started so it will be a while before I get there. 

There are so any variations and names and histories of ships of this class to give neverending options.  My father was on Mariner which started off as an HMCS then became HMS and then went to Burma and was in service until 1982 which is a pretty long and varied career.   G Sitek may be able to help with the exposd shafts although he is semi retired these days and is hard to get hold of alternitively try Model Boat Bits which also do them.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 12 March 2013, 15:56:32
Thanks mike, yes an interesting class of ship, I had not realised that Mariner survived till the eighty's I missed that one, and thanks for the info on the shafts.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 12 March 2013, 16:21:53
Hi Joe,

I will watch your build again and look forward to all those port holes you are going to cut (hehehe)  :grin1:  Paul
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 12 March 2013, 16:30:03
Well Joe I know you have looked around and done your research but did you see these web site?

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/algerine_class.htm (http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/algerine_class.htm)

http://gb-navy-ww2.narod.ru/HTM-MS-algerine.html (http://gb-navy-ww2.narod.ru/HTM-MS-algerine.html)

Paul
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: ship's doctor on 12 March 2013, 16:41:49
Hi Joe,

Looking forward to this one- I've been doing a bit of reading about the Algerines recently for a potential model (which is my usual strategy when I'm frustrated with the current build... :) )

There is a pdf of the RCN modified design on the Historic Naval Ships Assoc. website. There are also good drawings of the sweep gear in the flower class 'anatomy of the ship', and discussion of how the gear worked.

Hope this is of help,

James

Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 12 March 2013, 18:27:20
i would to be closely watching this one..  :)  ^^^

Mike mentioned exposed shafts.... Raboesch do some as well... 2, 3 and 4 mm shafts
http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/shop/product_info.php/cPath/35_46/products_id/1142 (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/shop/product_info.php/cPath/35_46/products_id/1142)
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 12 March 2013, 18:43:40
Hi Paul,  I have seen the first website but not the second, and have to say it is invaluable to all of us model ship builders so thanks for that,
and thanks James and Colin yes any help from you guys is always a help and always appreciated.
I 've got the batteries a pair of 2200mah nimh 7.2 and a graupner navy 15 esc that should fit the bill, and a saturn Rx, I tend to use the same transmitter for several models and being 2.4GHz makes it easy.as for the rest ie. motors, servos, couplings, props and upgrade shafts, I have a birthday next mouth and family have been asking what to get, well you get the idea.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 12 March 2013, 21:09:50
I see so that is how you do it, take the good lady for a walk show her the sights plant the seed and wait for the light bulb.  Then you drop the idea just a few weeks before a birthday and see what pops up.   Not a bad idea.  Will have to try that one but do not fancy a cruise on a Hospital boat in October.   But I could ask Ron for a camp pitch in his back yard and do some guard duty to get a nice price for that nice Hospital ship. ???
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 12 March 2013, 21:18:06
curses you've worked out my evil plan LOL.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 13 March 2013, 19:05:20
Wow Deans don't hang around do they, the kit was ordered Monday evening and came this morning (Wednesday), so well done to them,
on opening the kit it all looked familiar and not so daunting as my first kit Solebay but I can see it will still be challenging enough to make it an enjoyable build. I intend to take my time with this one, not that I rushed solebay but I did finish her quicker than I had thought.
Checked the kit and everything seems to be present and correct, I'll now spend a couple of days studying the kit and plans and then make a start on preparing the hull.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 13 March 2013, 22:40:38
Enjoy and I will watch your every move, lots of photos of the build with all the tricks of the trade now my lad.  Need to see how and why this time.  Paul
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 15 March 2013, 15:40:48
On studying the plans one of the first things I noted was that she has a deeper draught than solebay and the shafts and motors are well under the water line,so if standard shafts were used you would have to rely on a plug of shaft grease to stop water ingress, yes I know this dose work but I feel would need constant maintenance, so have decided to use waterproof shafts, and Raboesch shaft kits would seem fit the bill, at around 60 pounds for the pair quite expensive but would give peace of mind.
I have checked out model boat bits shafts and feel that the a-frame is simply too big for a 1:96 the leg width is 15mm and the bearing is 20mm I suppose you could trim some of the legs away or even get one and cut it in half, but when you compere it to the little a-frames in the kit I think they would still look too big, plus their shafts are not waterproof, I shall ponder on this while sanding off the top of the hull.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 15 March 2013, 15:57:42
have you thought about what size of shaft to use..??

the 'A' frames in the kit might be able to be drilled out, and a nylon bearing inserted..!! if you were to use the 2mm shafts...
theres some nice 2mm props... that go up to 25mm diameter... its just a thought...!!
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 15 March 2013, 16:38:23
Hi Collin,  The a-frames in the kit just have a half cup on them that bonds to the shaft tube, and I want to use open shafts the raboesch you suggested a few days ago would seem to be the way to go and maybe a smaller dia. shaft would indeed look closer to scale, a 2mm would equate to a 6" shaft, so perhaps I may go for the middle ground and get a 3mm with a 25mm prop, yes some thing to think about thanks.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 15 March 2013, 18:51:48
Water proof shaft!  That's a new one on me.  I thought as the shafts were in the water they were water proof!  OK fun aside, I assume these shafts have seal or rubber 'O' rings to stop the water moving up the shaft.  So will you be able to replace these rings or seals as a shaft moving through the seals will wear just like prop shaft seals on a rear of a car differential.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 15 March 2013, 19:16:49
Hi Paul  The waterproof shafts have a delrin bearing in the prop end and a hard bronze bearing and an o-ring in the motor end and a third bearing in the a-frame and are sold as maintenance free and in reality the amount of running they are likely to get the o-rings should last a very long time.     A lot of model boats have the inboard end of the propshaft above the water line and do not have to be waterproof
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 16 March 2013, 13:47:49
god knows how many years i have been running Raboesch propshafts.. it is defiantly a long time.. i have never had to service any of them..
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 16 March 2013, 19:22:36
Yes Colin  I guess they are one of those products you actually get what you pay for and in my opinion you cannot fault their props either.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 17 March 2013, 15:19:32
have now sanded the shear line down to the plating (well I did say I was going to take my time on this one),  and as I always do marked station lines on the plan 100mm apart from the bow, then place the hull on the plan and transfer the lines onto the hull followed by the decks, I do this to try and build as close to the plan as I can, it makes it easier to cross reference measurements from plan to boat.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 17 March 2013, 15:37:35
I then measure the beam at each station mark and transfer them to the decks this gives me an accurate size to cut the decks to in this case 1.5mm out side of the printed size, to be fair to Deans they do say to cut outside of line but I've found this takes the guess work out of it. this is something I learned from my many years working in the boat building industry, next I trim and fit the decks till the station marks line up then I have the correct beam thoughout the boat, it also helps to position deck fittings etc. a staghorn bollard as an example, instead of measuring 318mm from the bow becomes 18mm aft of station 3, I think I need a nice cup of tea after all that.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 17 March 2013, 16:41:14
excellent advice Joe, first class  ^^^  ^^^
certaily helps in the long run
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 17 March 2013, 16:55:44
I have to agree, this is they type of building advice that all new builders need so that they learn from day one.  More detail in the build is great and then the photos add the icing to the cake for the end result.   Keep it up Joe, plenty of sugar in that tea need to keep up the great work.  Paul
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 17 March 2013, 16:57:44
I see also that your deck has a lot of markings on it for supper structure etc.  This was not on our Solebay.  Is this a new idea from Deans?
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 17 March 2013, 17:45:55
yes you are right Paul there are more position markings than solebay had, not sure it might vary in different kits, my next step is to fit the deck supports , cross members and foc'sle break, then I'll decide what shafts to use.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: mikearace on 17 March 2013, 18:23:18
Fair bit of excellent work done already Joe for a 'I'll take my time on it' stance!!
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 17 March 2013, 19:16:43
Quite right Mike I think I'll have a lie down lol.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: mikearace on 17 March 2013, 19:27:55
that takes me back 30+ years........I have lain down a few times in Gosport ............usually in the Parks.........Stanley Park, Privett Park..........nothing to do with alcohol of course!!!
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 22 March 2013, 18:41:01
A little more progress, fitted the deck bearers , cross beams and fos,sle break, I prefer to assemble the bearers dry and clamp in place and using a scrap of deck material to position, apply thin "Cyanoacrylate professional" using the capillary method, the same for the cross beams this holds every thing in place,and then apply epoxy to the underside of the bearers against the hull and to the gussets each end of the cross beams, I find this cleaner than applying epoxy to the bearers and then try to position and clamp sticky items in place.
Have also fitted rudder tube and have opted to increase the length of the tube to 25mm to keep it well above the water line.
I've also opted to have one large midship hatch instead of two smaller ones to gain better access to running gear.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: Dennis on 23 March 2013, 16:22:41
Your build is looking great joe. ^^^ Look forward to following your build. I did the same with the hatches on my build nice to have the extra room.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 26 March 2013, 21:08:40
Thought it was about time I made the cradle, so I made my usual tray type, it's handy for carrying launch slings etc. under the boat.
I drilled out the portholes and hand reamed them with a countersink bit to simulate a rim, I'll fill these with clear epoxy after the hull is painted. She who must be obeyed is buying me the running gear as a birthday present a few weeks time (Result) but says I can't have it till then, actually I don't mind this it makes me take my time and plan what I'm doing, things like the RC switch which I will endever to make accessable some where on superstructure disguised as a vent, so I don't have to keep opening the boat to turn on or off, and I plan to do the same mod on solebay.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 26 March 2013, 21:37:10
I been experimenting with simulating decking planks by scribing on a piece of plasticard the only trouble is when scribing so many lines you release the surface tension and the card bends, obviously this would happen to the deck and hatches, the deck would probably be ok when glued down and maybe I could fit some stiffeners under the hatches, still playing around with the colour, have not decided weather do this or not yet.
 
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 27 March 2013, 07:02:36
Quote
hand reamed them with a countersink bit to simulate a rim
i like that idea, i will save that one in the box of tricks  ^^^

i always hide my on/off switch and charging socket, i`ll have to get some more photo`s done of my hidden electrics...

for example on the Furie every thing is under the front skylight, the Lis Terkol under one of the hollowed out Resin boxes is the charging socket and in an other hollowed out box i have installed 2mm gold contacts that plug into 2 holes in the Deck...

about the Decking.... i did something similar on the Furie, the difference being, it is a double thick Deck 2 x 1mm i scored the top 1mm Deck first, remolded (bent it flatt again) then glued it to the bottom part of the deck, you might be able to see this in my Furie Build thread
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 27 March 2013, 08:35:25
Sound advise as always Colin, A hollowed out ammo box over a switch sounds a great idea I'll see what I can do on solebays mod she has two switches for the two esc's I think I'll rewire them into one switch and hide it somewhere on the deck. Hey that would be a good quiz on the members models ( spot the switch) LOL.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: rondean on 27 March 2013, 08:54:13
I been experimenting with simulating decking planks by scribing on a piece of plasticard the only trouble is when scribing so many lines you release

Have a look at the laser etched deck panels, looks incredible but not cheap and need carefull fittings and cutting
 Regards
 Deans Marine
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 27 March 2013, 09:41:46
Hi Ron I had considered fitting the laser cut wood planks and have done on a larger scale boat, but at 1:96 scale I don't feel my skill level is quite up to committing to a fairly expensive project.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: ship's doctor on 27 March 2013, 17:13:08
Hi Joe

Looking excellent so far!

Another possibility for the deck... you can get pre- grooved styrene sheets, used by railway modelers, which might solve the bending problem?

There are also some good articles online about painting scribed styrene to look like wood planking (again outside the boating literature!)

Hope this helps,

James

 
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 27 March 2013, 18:01:33
For my thoughts on the subject of blanked floors is:- 1. really good on old sailing ships.   2 Liners and such like.   3.  for RN ships the scale really should be 1/72 or larger to show off the workmanship and bring the ship to life.   I think 1/96 is pushing the boat out and would really need a lot of deck for it to be appreciated.   Just my wee 2 pence Worth.

As for the build I like it very much but I still wish you would cut a few port holes (what more !)  Paul
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 29 March 2013, 14:35:52
I decided to scribe the decks to simulate planking, I thought if I mess it up it would only mean getting a couple of plasicard sheets and redo the decks, well I'm fairly happy with the results so far, what I'm looking for is a slightly understated wooden deck once painted, rather than one found on a showcase model, so we will see what they look like after painting.
yes Paul rather less portholes than Solebay and just the ones on the superstructure to do now.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 30 March 2013, 13:25:23
Looks Good to me Joe....  ^^^

about the painting, probably a lighter brown to start with, then wash in a darker brown...
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 30 March 2013, 19:20:35
Thanks Colin, I'll have to practice the painting of the deck on some scrap, It will be some time yet.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 07 April 2013, 10:22:55
I've made a start on the superstructure, the instructions and the printed plasticard show the aft end of the lower section (probably the galley),to be offset to strbrd. but the plan shows this equal on the centre line, as I am building to plan, I've reset the printed card accordingly, well if it was too easy it wouldn't be fun would It,  I'm also using cross braces instead of triangle supports. you may notice that I've raised the base of the bridge 1mm this is to make it easier to fit the bridge as the deck has a slight curve up to the bow.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 07 April 2013, 11:25:13
Nice work Joe, I really like the cut you made for the deck to the hull very good fit.  Will need to ensure my next build is as good as yours the tips you give are just the ticket.  The planking idea if you go ahead with it will really look nice and give some very fine detail to the deck.  Paul
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 07 April 2013, 16:00:49
A little more done this afternoon, just enjoying advancing the bridge structure, after my first kit, I tend now to measure and cut each piece as it is needed, I have found this is the best solution for misprinted pieces, I have learnt so much from building Deans kits, probably because whilst I cannot fault their hulls, the super structures are not "perfect" fits etc. To the extent that for my next build I'm thinking of just a hull/  some plans and some sheets of styrene, I'll be giving that some thought.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 11 April 2013, 17:14:22
done a bit more today, added the bridge deck sides and the flag deck and sides, plus a little bit of railing, decks and superstructure just put in place at this time as of course the running gear is not fitted yet (birthday's nearly here) but very satisfying pottering about with it.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 15 April 2013, 14:59:44
Made and fitted the little asdic hut on front of bridge what a fiddly thing that was but I think it looks OK,  next I cut the funnel parts from the vacuforms, and made the funnel and just like Solebays funnel with a bit of care makes a decent funnel,  the funnel is actually 8mm shorter than the plan so I'm going to make some sort of plinth on the deck to make the height look right, there is no plinth shown on the plan but there seems to be something like one in one of the pictures, I'll use my intuition on that one
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 16 April 2013, 15:41:56
made the plinth for the funnel to make height the same as plan, should look OK when it's painted and has all the other deck gear in place, it was also a good place to terminate the tie wires
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 16 April 2013, 16:37:23
Nice job,  I think you have got it just about right.  ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 19 April 2013, 15:28:51
A little more progress today, the wind breaks on the bridge, forward gun crew shelter, and the funnel platform, (crows nest if they still call it that) fiddly but satifying
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 19 April 2013, 19:59:03
your making my mouth water.....  defiantly have to put this Model on my Wishlist... or to do list  ^^^  ^^^

Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: karlgalster on 20 April 2013, 12:43:15
Very nice build. I must admit I have been tempted by this model ever since I saw the example in the DM showroom. If I was going to make the model I would visit the showroom and take photos (permission granted of course :)) as a reference source as it has enhanced detailing. Funny thing about that model - it is an excellent example of model making but I was told it was deposited there by its builder who oddly enough was not satisfied with the outcome. :o
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 20 April 2013, 13:38:50
Thanks Robin,  I have eight photos of that model Ron kindly e-mailed to me before I ordered the kit and they really do help as I have to say the plans are a little short on detail and showing some fittings that are not indexed,so I just do what I think looks right ie. fit a vent grille where it makes sense etc.  If my Bramble turns out anything like that one I'll be satisfied.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 20 April 2013, 13:54:57
i have 11 photo's of the Deans Showroom model but there all from the Ships boats, as they are excellent... mind you so is the whole model...

i agree with you Joe... if yours turns out anything like that one... i would be very very very pleased...  ^^^  :)

Joe if you would like my photo's drop me a line..
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 21 April 2013, 11:41:21
The build is coming along nicely Joe.   I agree with you,  you do what you feel is correct and add the personal touches to the model in the detail to enhance the build and your satisfaction.   Keep up the good work.  Paul ^^^   
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 21 April 2013, 13:55:56
Thanks Colin for the kind offer of the photos, they would be much appreciated, the more information the better,I've sent an e-mail to you with e-mail address.

Yes Paul your right about the fittings etc. I don't want to get too paranoid about getting everything historically correct as I think that would spoil the enjoyment of the build.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 24 April 2013, 15:40:55
A bit more detailing done on the bridge and built the generator room everything just put in place at the moment,  I want to bond the decks down before I do any more to them as I've still got some more stiffeners to put around the access hatches to stop any flexing in that area, but first I've got the running gear etc. to do which I'll be starting next week.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 24 April 2013, 17:20:44
Hi Joe,  I have to say the quality of the air vents to the gen room have great detail and look the same as those fitted to you HMS Solebay.   They seem to be of different quality to the ones I got in my Kit.  Take a look at my photos of this area and let me know what you think? 

Othere wise the build is coming along fine and you will be one year older just to get you props and running gear.  My My what a way to to go so in case I miss it Happy Birthday when it comes.  Paul
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 24 April 2013, 18:11:51
Thanks Paul, the generator room doors as shewn in the plans are just openings but I decided to have closed water tight doors and vent grilles I had left over from Solebay, not from the Solebay kit, I got them from John R Haynes fittings some of which I have fitted to my Solebay.

As for the birthday I figured I would be a year older anyway so I just as well get something out of it lol.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 29 April 2013, 23:12:11
Now have the shafts prepared for fitting, makers recommend fixing bearings with cyano so you can use heat to remove bearing to renew when necessary,  but I have soldered mine as I can't see me running the ship enough to ever wear them out, A-frames also ready and cut out stern tube slots.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: tracatruc on 30 April 2013, 10:53:06
SO VERY IMPRESSED WITH YOUR BUILD.WELL DONE INDEED.THAT WHALER IS AMAZING.NEWBY ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 30 April 2013, 19:10:43
Prop shafts , tubes and a-frames fitted,the photo makes it look like the shafts are splayed but they are parallel, I'll fit the motors and couplings next before I bond in the tubes to make sure everything lines up and turns freely.
I also decided to shape the a-frame legs so they don't look too heavy.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 01 May 2013, 18:01:18
the free-runers certainly look better than the propshafts all the way to the "A" frames...

i would have probably taken the "A" frames down (shapen) a little bit more... they do look better that the unshaped ones...as originally supplied..  ^^^

Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 01 May 2013, 18:16:28
So now your one year older and the good lady is a few pounds light in her purse.  So I must say well done a lesson for us all here.  As for the the boat I think you doing a grand job, but you will now need to seek aproval from her who must be obayed as she has a share in the build now.   Great Joe. ^^^ ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 01 May 2013, 18:25:24
Motors fitted and shafts bonded in,   motors wired and tested, rudder and servo done, as with Solebay I wanted to have the on/off switch accessible on the deck this time I'm using a mushroom vent on top of a brass rod through the deck to the switch positioned on the sweep deck.

Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 01 May 2013, 19:09:58
Nice job and a great idea for the switch.   I have fitted an RSA socket to HMS Solebay and wired in a feed to recharge my two 7.2 batterys and tested ok.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 01 May 2013, 19:25:27
Hi Paul , the recharge socket is a good idea, I still remove batteries to charge, as for the wife, she likes gardening and I like building boats what a great match, with just the occasional (oy! that grass needs cutting),
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 03 May 2013, 20:17:44
Rudder fitted, stock rudder works well in Solebay so should be fine in the smaller Bramble,  also installed receiver so next job is to bond the decks down.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 04 May 2013, 22:18:01
just before I bond the decks I remembered to fit the pegs to take the rubber bands for holding the hatches down, a system I have found simple but effective,
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 05 May 2013, 12:30:34
Today I bonded the decks down using 30 Minuit epoxy, then rubbed down the deck/hull joint, because I scribed the planking in the decks they had a bit of an upward curve so had to use some heavy things to hold flat till set, as you can see I used an assortment of "weights" and no it's not an alternative superstructure.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 05 May 2013, 20:37:35
Nice job Joe, and I fully understand your comment on the supper structure. (he he he) :wink1: Paul
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 06 May 2013, 15:11:04
with the decks now bonded I tackled the break water and quite pleased with it, and started to fit the assemblies I made up earlier, she's now taking on the looks of a ship.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 07 May 2013, 08:37:40
jup, she's looking like a ship now.....  ^^^

very nice..
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 08 May 2013, 16:32:32
as I did on Solebay I've used plastic drinking straws for the anchor hawsers, works quite well, next the cable reel is located under the gun deck so needs to be fitted after painting so will be one of the last deck items to be fitted, but to make it easier later I've fitted pins to the reel legs and location holes in the deck.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 10 May 2013, 18:18:43
A little more progress today, aft crew shelter, and bofors platform with a bit detailing, and the anchor winch, next I think I tackle the wing bridge support frames
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 11 May 2013, 00:04:48
Nice and quality build Joe, like what I see and I hope you are enjoying the build.  She is coming along nicely.   Just a question, how did you drill the anchor apertures.  I know you used a drink straw, but to drill at an angle!  Give up the secret!   
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 11 May 2013, 10:52:00
Thanks Paul, As for the anchor hawsers I first drill a 3mm hole in the hull hawser mouldings and through the deck, then gradually open each hole with a burr in the dremel at the approximate angle till they are just under the size of the plastic straw, I then pass a small file through the hole in the hull and deck and file till I get a snug fit, this also lines up the holes nicely, then put the straw through leaving long both ends and glue in place with thin Cyrano and trim flush, I use a new blade for this as the straws quite thin.
The hawser holes in the deck will be finished off with a hawser rings or maybe chain scuttles.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 11 May 2013, 12:52:45
Thanks for that Joe,  I had tried a practice on a mock up of the bow and found I kept on breaking my drill and found I could not get the angle correct.  This will help me a lot thanks.  Will need to take you out for a drink some time when I am down in your area.  I do visit my old man in Exeter so I could always make a trip to your area for a camping holiday some time.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 11 May 2013, 17:34:31
Hi Paul,  I don't drink myself but make it a cup of tea and your on, lol.
Did the wing bridge supports today very fiddly but got there eventually and when they are painted should blend in quite well, there was no parts in the kit to finish the tops of the anchor hawsers so had to improvise with a bit of styrene again when painted should look OK also did the gunwall rails and a few fittings aft.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 11 May 2013, 23:00:21
She is looking good Joe, like the bridge support,  I bet that took a while to pit together.   Your on for the tea, and will throw in a jam donut as well. 
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 13 May 2013, 17:32:59
A jam doughnut now your spoiling me! lol.

Did a bit more detailing to sweep deck and forepeak and then thought I'd tackle the main mast, I used a mini gas torch instead of an iron and found it much easier, I made a mock up of the bridge were the mast fits so I could solder without risk to boat and was quite pleased with result
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 14 May 2013, 15:25:14
Nice one Joe, Like the idea of the gas.   I did my two rear mast at the weekend and the rear one with the radio antenna was a sod to solder.   Once you hand one soldered in place and went to do the next it would become loose as the heat built up.   Trying to do a 10mm square for the radio antenna was a real headache.   But got there in the end.  Will post pictures some time this week.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 14 May 2013, 16:57:56
Yes I've been practicing with the mini torch and prefer it to a iron now, it has a tiny flame so you can concentrate the heat to a small area, an iron is probably better for electrical wiring, I did the mast with my helping hands gadget and the torch and found it fairly easy.
a bit more practice today with the aft radio mast,  I then turned my attention to the orepresa floats which I had noticed were rather badly moulded I thought I might be able to do something with them using my dremel but one shattered so that was that, I know Deans would have replaced them but I thought I'd have a go at making some using balsa and styrene, I think they will do.
 
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 15 May 2013, 20:14:25
Today I've been pottering about with some detailing ideas, handrails,pipes electrical boxes, etc. then thought she must be close to sailing weight,although there are quite a few fittings to fit they are very light,  so it would be a good time to test the water line, I put a mark on the stem and stern as per plan, and then to the tub test, she floated right on the aft mark and only need 140grams added to the bow to bring her right on the water line, so yet again well done to Deans.
The rest of the fittings will be fitted after priming which will be the next job
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: mikearace on 15 May 2013, 21:01:32
Looking very nice Joe.  Im down your neck of the woods next week for nice sea fishing weekend sailing from Whale Island followed by a few beers sort of a bonding trip with my future son in law number 2.  Shame time precludes bringing down a boat for a quick wee sail!!
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 15 May 2013, 23:34:56
Thanks Mike, I hope the weather is better than it has been for your trip, I haven't been down the pond for months.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 18 May 2013, 16:45:54
The bulk of the priming is now done and have painted her bottom "Brambles that is", with the top coats on the hull I like to leave at least 24 hours to cure in case the masking tape damages it when painting the boot top, So have now turned my attention to preparing the rest of the fittings and will lay them all out on double sided tape and spray in a batch.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 18 May 2013, 21:42:59
She is really looking good Joe, I see the brush stokes are as good as every.   When I have finished this boat show I am doing with my boat club will post my work so far.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: ship's doctor on 18 May 2013, 22:36:12
All looks great! Really like the new floats, and the use of the bridge mock up to do the mast- have been trying to work out how to approach a similar set up on Suffolk for a while...
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 19 May 2013, 13:31:19
looking extremely good, nothing better than a good paint brush..  ^^^   :)

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I like to leave at least 24 hours to cure in case the masking tape damages it when painting the boot top

i use the Tamiya masking tape comes in three different widths, its the best masking tape that i have found for doing things like the boot top (masking tape on top of paint).

i could do a hints and tips on soldering... and keeping the heat away from the other parts... i use crocodile clips..
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 19 May 2013, 15:42:34



The crocodile clips are a good idea Colin, I also place a pair of pliers or similar on the item to heat sink ,if it's big enough that is
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: Dennis on 20 May 2013, 14:40:23
Very nice build indeed. ^^^Your brush work is flawless, looks like it was sprayed.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 20 May 2013, 17:27:14
Thanks Dennis,  So as not to mislead anyone the primer is sprayed, everything else I do with brush.

Been painting the hull topsides and superstructures today I think Solebay was easier to paint than this one as all her superstructures were removable leaving a relatively clear deck, Bramble on the other hand has a lot of nooks and cranny's, and it needs two coats, I think I see where you guys with the airbrushes are coming from, any way I'll get there eventually, I've been using acryilic paints for a long time now, and one thing I've found is, as it dries so quick, it helps to rinse the brush in water often during painting otherwise the brush is inclined to become clogged and starts to spread the bristles,( just in case anyone is new to acrylics.) ;)
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: karlgalster on 21 May 2013, 15:56:06
Coming along very well Joe. HMS Bramble has such a lot of character - I am tempted to build one of these. Looking forward to your report on how it handles. I wonder if it would make a good steering regatta boat? Single rudder/two screws might be a problem but time will tell.
Robin
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 21 May 2013, 19:19:06
Thanks Robin, My Solebay has standard drive and stock rudder and she handles very well ,probably not for steering regattas, but for a 4 foot warship definitely OK, and Bramble being a third shorter I'm not expecting any problems.

I took a break from painting and made the jack staff and ensign staff.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 21 May 2013, 19:32:34
Boot top, structures and decks painted, still a lot of fittings to prepare for priming, remove flash etc., but the next job is to seal all the portholes with epoxy.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 22 May 2013, 06:41:04
the wooden (plastic) decks have turned out rather nice, i would have to say.  ^^^

@ Robin, your thinking the same as me...
and in my opinion this Kit has a very VERY good chance of winning the kit class competitions
with a P94 (mixer & ESC) in her she would be fantastic.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: karlgalster on 22 May 2013, 12:20:58
Think you are right there Colin - should be a good alternative to those numerous pesky Revell Snowberry "plastic magic" boats.  ??? About the same size, similar air profile, two screws so would be better astern. The single screw flower class corvette is likely to handle better ahead but with the mixer in HMS Bramble that would level things up.
Robin
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 22 May 2013, 13:40:07
Thanks Colin,  I think the planked decks were worth the effort and add a bit of interest, and I'm quite happy with them.

Hey Robin, If you decide to build Bramble or Marvel it would be interesting to hear what you think, I know I'm thoroughly enjoying mine but with hindsight I should have got the 4mm shafts and 30mm props, I opted for the 3mm shafts and can only use 25mm props but then I'm not too bothered about speed, but if you were entering a competition you may wish to consider this.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: karlgalster on 22 May 2013, 17:10:36
Thanks Joe I will bare that in mind.
Robin
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 22 May 2013, 18:10:45
Nice work Joe,  Have you had her on the water yet?  I am off for a week so will read up on the build when I return. 
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 22 May 2013, 18:35:06
i think you will find the 25mm props will give you ample power/thrust.

changing the motor would probably get the Bramble to plain....  ;D  ;D

i am a little of topic but...
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Think you are right there Colin - should be a good alternative to those numerous pesky Revell Snowberry "plastic magic" boats.  ???
different rules over here, "plastic magic" boats have there own kit class "F4C", separated from the real kits "F4B" in 2001 at the World Championships in Poland.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 22 May 2013, 19:17:44
Yes I'm sure you're right Colin, when I tried her water line in the tub I tested the r/c at the same time and I got the idea that the trust was adequate,  it certainly kicked up the water astern, and the Raboesch destroyer props are superb.

Thanks Paul,  she's only been in the tub as yet, I've still got a lot of fittings to do,  Have a good holiday mate.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 26 May 2013, 18:26:44
The running gear is now complete and have fitted the anchors and chains ,also started on some of the items that make Bramble different to Marvel, the 4 twin oerlikons are ready for priming,  and her range finder.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: karlgalster on 29 May 2013, 12:21:50
I do like those open prop shafts Joe. My current project also has them and they make a lot of difference . Just did not think of it at the time when I built my two DM destroyers :(
Bramble is coming on very nicely.
Robin
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 29 May 2013, 18:31:36
Yes your right there Robin the shafts do make a difference, I wish I had fitted them to my Solebay but like yourself I didn't think of it till after I had fitted the stock ones, I'll certainly fit them to any future builds,

Did some more detailing today, my favourite part of the build, and finished preparing the rest of the fittings for priming there must be 40 + items, some are just tiny vents but they all make a difference.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 30 May 2013, 12:08:28
looking forward to seeing all the clutter on the stern deck..  :)
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 30 May 2013, 18:28:41
Just finished priming the remainder of the fittings etc. 97 items,  no wonder it took a while to prepare them,  they should add quite a lot of "deck clutter" which for me is one of the best features of this era of navy ships, the set of dan buoys were unfortunately unusable, so I made another set using brass rod and an old paint brush handle.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 31 May 2013, 22:31:29
A little more done, deck gun, oerlikons , c winch, range finder, floats etc.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 01 June 2013, 21:19:44
Hi Joe,  You know the saying "Iam Back".  She is looking great Joe,  Like the detail and yes she is coming to life.  Great build as ever.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 02 June 2013, 20:33:30
Thanks Paul,

Dan buoys and stowage done the paint job on the buoys could have been better, hands not quite as steady as they used to be, and a few other "bits" added.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 02 June 2013, 20:40:52
nice work again Joe, I must say the paint work is nice and clean.  I hope mine is as good.   I have used both the brush and the Airbrush now on my Seawolf and like the results.  So will try on Solebay.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 06 June 2013, 16:51:13
Went on a trip to Southsea yesterday and our walk took us past the Algerine memorial I've included a photo for anyone how may be interested
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 06 June 2013, 17:06:44
Did some more today, the deck "clutter" is growing quite nicely she really is a busy little ship, there's just a few more fittings to do,  then the railings, I've left the boat davits and lifting davits off till after the railings are done,  the davits are quite fragile and easy to catch with a hand or the micro drill.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: Dennis on 07 June 2013, 00:37:25
Well done Joe, this is one to be proud of...really nice build ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 08 June 2013, 21:09:00
Thanks Dennis,

Added a few more detail bits and made a start on the railings,
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: swiftdoc on 09 June 2013, 10:30:39
Hi Joe, you can really be proud of that model. It's always the details that make the difference ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 09 June 2013, 11:23:49
have to agree with Arno..  ^^^

Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 09 June 2013, 12:45:42
Thanks for your kind comments, coming from you guys it means a lot.
As always when I get to this stage of the build I find myself thinking of the next one, probably this winter and me thinks Cossack would fit the bill.
 
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 10 June 2013, 12:08:54
Really Nice Joe. she looks a beauty now, all the detail.  Well there use built your second Deans kit plus one other, and you thinking of the next while I am still on my first Deans kit.  I like your style.  ^^^ ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: karlgalster on 11 June 2013, 14:33:57
Yes Joe a very nice build - really got me thinking about this kit. :)
Robin
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 12 June 2013, 18:29:02
The railings are now complete and next I'll paint them before fitting the davits and ships boats, I have to admit I did get some more boats that have greater detail than the vacform ones, a 25' motor launch  a 27' whaler and a 14' row boat all have good clinker detail.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 16 June 2013, 20:43:28
Railings painted and a few more bits added also the crew, well at least a skeleton crew but I think it adds a bit of interest, still working on the boats and waiting for the whaler which was out of stock.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 16 June 2013, 23:50:28
Really nice Joe, I like what you have done I feel you have really put your hart and sole into.  She looks great. ^^^ ^^^ ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 17 June 2013, 19:00:21
Thanks Paul, just the boats to finish and fit to the davits then wait for a nice calm day for her first sailing , on holiday next week so probably after that, now looking forward to the next build in a few months time ( to give you time to catch up ha ha) I'm still considering Cossack as an option and my remit will be to increase my skill level and to turn the turrets, all four of them, and get them to represent the proverbial broadside, well that's the plan anyway.  Joe
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 18 June 2013, 20:44:22
Did a final leak/trim test today passed on both counts, also added the cable rigging, I used black shearing elastic "found" in the wife's sewing box, it's good for removing the access modules without breaking the rigging.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 18 June 2013, 21:22:08
I know that bath any place It seems to hold half of the RN ships from WW11.  Need to get one my self!   Nice job Joe, but is she not sitting to high I though the water line was just below the black belt or in the middle.  Fine for me to talk I have not had mine in the water since I put the motors in.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 18 June 2013, 23:37:26
Yes that's right Paul the water is right at the bottom of the boot top, although she is shorter than Solebay she dose have a deeper draught..Joe
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 19 June 2013, 06:26:37
weight room wise....  a larger battery for more driving time   ^^^  ^^^

looks the bb's and ee's

defiantly on my to do list, still have three projects to finish first...
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: swiftdoc on 19 June 2013, 06:58:51
Looks great to me and a nice bath tub you have too ;D ;D ;D ^^^
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 19 June 2013, 11:32:52
Thanks guys, Hey Arno you should know better than that, it's not a bath tub, it's my navy wet dock/trials basin LOL.
conditions were just right today for "sea" trials the lake was flat calm and no wind, she sailed very well, but as commented on in this forum I feel you were right, she is a little high in the water although the water line is as plan, she was inclined to roll a bit too much for my liking though no where near enough to roll over I think a bit more weight would correct this, also batteries did have a slight sideways movement that had more of an effect than I had thought, so back to dry dock, the lake had a lot of jap bind weed so had to be careful not to foul the props
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: swiftdoc on 19 June 2013, 12:15:02
OK to put it in other words: your wet dock is quite impressive ;D

I know what you mean, as I had my Muirneag in my private wet dock last week. I had decided to use a 3s 11,1 LiPo battery. Even with a heavy loudspeaker I am able to put some weight into the hull. But I think it is better this way round rather than having a model too heavy from the beginning. Hope to see some pics from outside your wet dock soon.

Kind regards - Arno
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 19 June 2013, 12:20:05
what was the speed like..?? were or are the 25mm Props large enough..??
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 19 June 2013, 16:15:38
Yes the speed was adequate Colin, she certainly put up a bow wave at full throttle and the turning circle looked about right, having said that, she's not as fast as Solebay, but I would imagine an "algerine" would not be much of a match for one of the "battles" when talking about speed.

I've put an extra 100 grams forward and 100 grams in the tiller flat, she now sits 7 mm lower in the water about half way up the boot topping, and in the "wet dock" dose look better and feels more stable.

Thanks Arno yes it's better to add weight to a light boat,  than trying to make a heavy one lighter,  I 'll post some photo's next time the weed in  the lake was quite worrying it took my mind off of photos.   Joe
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 19 June 2013, 17:22:18
Hi Joe,  Glad you had the sea trails.  The weight you put in may well help and to secure the battery should also make it more stable.   On the subject of Jap bind weed, our pond is full off it at the moment and there is no sign of the council doing anythink about.  So my Divers dry suit on and a good heavy bass broom and in the water I go to disturb the roots and then rack it out.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 19 June 2013, 17:41:43
i would not imagine that a minesweeper be that fast any way..  ::DD
it is not as if HMS Bramble has to chase the mines..  ;D  ;D

Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 19 June 2013, 22:27:35
yes I've added a couple of pieces to secure the batteries, it's surprising how small a movement makes a difference to the trim, and I'm confident the extra weight will make her more stable.
I looked up the spec on an algerine  they say top speed of 16.5 knots  and the battle class at some 35 knots so I'm quite happy with brambles performance.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 21 June 2013, 21:18:34
The whaler I've been waiting for arrived yesterday so I've now completed the ships boats, so after the holiday I'll give her another trial at the lake, hope the weed has not got worse, I know the model yacht guys are having trouble with their deep keels but at least they have a small row boat if they need it, if my props get fouled I guess I get wet.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: ship's doctor on 22 June 2013, 08:48:06
Looks fantastic- a great build!
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 22 June 2013, 18:15:07
very nice ...  ^^^

hope to see this model in September at the Deans Open Days
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 01 July 2013, 18:25:33
Well they say when you can't think of anything else to do, the model is finished, so I guess Bramble is finished, just need to get down the lake to do the second trials with the extra weight in I'm confident all will be good.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: Dennis on 01 July 2013, 23:44:19
WOW....well done indeed Joe. ^^^ Hope to see some pics of it on the water.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: karlgalster on 02 July 2013, 18:25:42
Looks a very nice little ship Joe. Good job you have done there. Looking forward to the report of how it handles.
Robin
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 02 July 2013, 19:38:16
Well Joe two plus one to my 3/4 built.  You are some kid.  I have to say two fantastic ships with time and effort in abundance.   Great work Joe I hope mine is as good as your first.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 02 July 2013, 20:03:46
Thanks for the kind comments guys, I'll post some more after her second trials,  I've decided to build HMS Cossack next, probably as a winter project, (if I can wait that long). in the mean time I'm going to experiment with some RC. mock ups of turret turning to try and get 90 degrees each side if successful I post the results under (Turning turrets) the plan is to make Cossack's two forward turrets and two aft turrets to turn in tandem
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: mikearace on 02 July 2013, 21:05:09
Very nice Joe.  Very nice build indeed.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 05 July 2013, 15:21:21
The conditions for the second trials were just right this morning, the water was flat calm and clear so I could see the weed that was a problem on the first trial was not so close to the surface as it was, she sat nicely in the water with no sign of the roll that it had so the extra 200 grams ballast was the answer, and handling was much better, good turning circle with hardly any lean out, a good turn of speed for the type of ship she cuts through the water with a nice bow wave, and unlike Solebay she also has some steerage going astern I guess because she is shorter with the same size rudder, in conclusion I'm very happy with Bramble's performance.    Right what's next ?

Joe
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: andy on 05 July 2013, 17:45:22
Fine looking ship you have there Joe.  Keep up the good work.   ^^^

What next....hmmm..How about the Prince of Whales.. :)
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 05 July 2013, 18:48:25
twin props certainly help when going astern....
if you ever wanted more steering either forward or in reverse, then try a P94 from Action

she does look very nice, and just the right size for a quick trip down the lake...
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: FJF on 12 July 2013, 22:44:22
Congratulations! Fantastic detailing and a fantastic build!

You set the bar high for my own build of the bramble that is still waiting in its box.  :wink1:
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 12 July 2013, 23:03:32
Thanks Frank, I hope you enjoy your build of Bramble as much as I did, I look forward to seeing it.   Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 16 August 2013, 19:36:33
Hi Dave,
I got them from John R Haynes, web site, www.johnrhaynes.com (http://www.johnrhaynes.com)  they have a good selection of resin ships boats, whalers, motor launches etc. plus a lot of fittings in most scales I'm sure they post to the US, I usually get a few 1:96 scale fittings extra when I order boats so I have a small stock to add my own interpretation to the ship I'm building. Check them out...
Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 17 August 2013, 10:10:05
Hi Dave,    I know how daunting your first Deans build can be, just do one step at a time and don't think too far ahead you will get more confident as you see the results of each step, and you will get there.   Joe
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 23 August 2013, 12:41:37
Hi Joe thought you might like to see this, HMS mary Rose when she was in Malta.  Paul
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 23 August 2013, 14:23:04
Thanks Paul, I think these are interesting little ships, she was one of the Canadian built algerines  formally HMCS Toronto scraped in 1957.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: andy on 23 August 2013, 14:38:01
Thanks Paul, I think these are interesting little ships, she was one of the Canadian built algerines  formally HMCS Toronto scraped in 1957.

WOW.  Thanks Joe, I was unaware there was another ship that was going to be named Toronto.  For me the only WWII ship named HMCS Toronto was a River class frigate.  It seems this one had is name changed to HMS Mary Rose before it was completed.

Andy
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 24 August 2013, 20:46:52
I guess if I was to average it out It would be something like 3 or 4 hours a day, I do sometimes give it a break for a day now and then and maybe a day when she who must be obeyed does not want to go shopping or something I may spend the whole day on the build I'm inclined to get so engrossed I forget about time. Joe
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: colin on 25 August 2013, 08:50:28
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I may spend the whole day on the build I'm inclined to get so engrossed I forget about time
like wise Joe, if the Misses did not come down the cellar and tell me its tea time i would be in there from Saturday morning till Sunday evening....some weekends...   ::DD

Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 26 August 2013, 19:25:15
totally agree Colin, I think time well spent and very satisfying.  Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: mikearace on 01 December 2013, 15:14:56
Was at the Portsmouth Dockyard Victorian festival this Saturday, have been going every year since it started with my family as its a cheap way of accessing all the museum exhibits and ships and the shopping and a couple of nights away in the Home Club keeps the wife happy.  Came across the SWA display and even from a few yards distance I recognised HMS Bramble and said to the missus that's Joe's HMS Bramble.  And when I got up to the table it sure enough was.  And when I walked round there was HMS SoleBay.  Only thing missing was Joe.  Sorry I didn't get to meet you Joe - would have been nice but I was told you were not there Saturday but back Sunday.  Maybe next year Joe.  Have to say they were both even better in the flesh that the photo's on here.  They really looked the business Joe.     
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 01 December 2013, 15:41:21
Thanks Mike, sorry I missed you, yes I could only attend Friday as we were asked to put on a display at fairly short notice, and I had a prior commitment this week end, but I did very much enjoy Friday and will to go to the dockyard to night to pick up my ships, there are some seriously talented modellers in the SWA and I have picked up a lot of building tips since joining, there are two more events at the same place in March and June maybe I'll meet you then, regards  Joe
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: mikearace on 01 December 2013, 15:45:45
Well I wont be able to visit in March but I do get down to Pompey 3 or 4 times a year so I might well be around there in June.  I keep on saying to myself I might join the SWA myself sometime but never get round to it.  Maybe will do so next year when I retire and have more time.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 01 December 2013, 16:14:30
Yes I can recommend it Mike, exhibiting is another facet of the hobby with good camaraderie and you probably noticed the many radars turning so I have now set myself the task of making HMS Zulu's "bedstead" turn, nice and slowly I believe it's about 12 revolutions per minute, any way I'll have a go.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: Sago on 15 February 2014, 16:57:34
Hi I am considering building a model of an Algerine Fleet minesweeper and would appreciate any advice to a "nozzer builder" having never attempted model building before. I am a former naval rating who served on HMS Wave when she unfortunately foundered in St Ives Bay in 29th September 1952. As a complete novice I am not sure that I will be able to complete such a project bearing in mind that I am now 80 years old. Will I have enough time left. I am a retired carpenter/joiner but suspect my chippies tool will be to cumbersome so model making tools/kit will be required. Any suggestions? I am not considering a radio controlled motorised model, although this might be possible as a later project should my skills prove up to scratch, although I realise this must be taken at a fairly early stage due to fitting means of propulsion. Look forward to receiving replies.

Sago.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: paul swainson on 15 February 2014, 17:15:22
Hi Sago,
Welcome to the forum and I am sure you will be reading all the sections that deal with the equipment you may need to build.  The first think you will need is a set of cutting knifes, along with a Dremal drill with attachments.  Very basic stuff to have, then you can add to it with other items that you find as you go along.  I am sure you will have rulers steel 6 inch and 12 inch.   Glues and sand paper, along with a selections of paint brushes.  The other item you will require Will be bonding clamps which can be obtained from the ? shops and large bonding clamps.   A small selection of drills from about 0.3mm to 1.6mm and a hand drill bit.  You can also get a power control drill for larger size drill bits say up to 5mm.   If you intend to build a static model with no radio controls installed, it would be a good idea to still install the propshaft and rudder, along with cut outs sections to install the motors and control units and battery at a later date with out having to strip the model down too far.   I hope this gives you an idea, but the best bet would be to find a local model club and join and seek practical advise from them as a back up.  Paul
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: Sago on 15 February 2014, 18:13:01
Hi Paul - Thanks for your reply and suggestions, they make good sense. I had considered a craft knife set together with Dremal type drill. Will search for local model boat builders club this also makes good sense. Thanks again will keep in touch.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: radio joe on 15 February 2014, 19:47:27
Hi Sago,  Paul has about covered the tools etc. But there is another requirement, bucket loads of patience, you are, like myself, a carpenter and joiner and used to crafting things with your hands, my friend, you should have no trouble adapting those skills to model ship building, if you need help any time we are pleased to answer your questions. Joe.
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: mikearace on 15 February 2014, 21:11:22
Sago

I have not artisan skills or training as such my training and skills lie in paper pushing!  However with some patience and a little common sense and using the advice and tips picked up from others I have managed to build a few passable builds from Deans.  Im sure if I can do a basic passable build without being a skilled craftsman, Im sure you will have no problem turning out something excellent.  Remember though that these kits benefit from significant input from the builder as opposed to just putting them together - sometimes people do buy them open the box and are disappointed as its not quite the 'airfix' kit they were expecting.  This site has loads of builds with great tips and everyone on here does learn from each others builds.     
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: Sago on 16 February 2014, 13:29:49
Hi - Mike & Joe. Many thanks for your interesting replies which have given me the confidence that I might be able to complete a "BRAMBLE" model to represent HMS Wave - M385. My time aboard was somewhat short as she ran aground in St. Ives bay on the 30th September 1952, having taken shelter from imminent gale force winds forecast at this time. She was eventually re-floated and resumed service with the Fishery Protection Squadron until she was placed in reserve in July 1958 and was sadly sent to the breakers yard in 1962. After her refit following her salvage recovery from St. Ives her armament was revised, however I shall fit her out with her original WWII armaments as I remember her.

There is a book which details HMS Wave's grounding with lots of interesting information about HMS Wave and other Algerine Fleet Minesweepers. If any one is interested I would be happy to loan the book for a look see on the understanding that I would want it's return.

Regards - Sago     
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: mikearace on 16 February 2014, 15:26:28
Interesting to hear about your time on Wave.  My father, who sadly crossed the bar 10 years ago, was on Mariner in 1952-54 on the Fishery Protection Squadron running out of Chatham so although I haven't build an Algerine they are of particular interest to me and every year the ruined chapel at Old Portsmouth I lay a floral tribute for him on behalf of our family.   Mariner soldiered on until       
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: rondean on 16 February 2014, 17:38:19
Hi all
 one of my favorite boats for looks, cute with lots of interesting parts, some pictures of one of the models in our showroom
hope you enjoy
regards
 Deans Marine
Title: Re: HMS Bramble build
Post by: Delboy1958 on 23 August 2017, 10:27:32
Hi Joe
Really nice build like the look of this model.
regards
Derek