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Title: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 16 July 2012, 20:46:35
Well after seeing Radio Joe's build, I need to make a move on mine.   The garage was full and very little room so needed a new site.   Purchased a new 8x6 shed and kitted it out with all mod cons, carpets,power, and heater. (its could up here in the winter.)   So I started with the Hull and sanded it down to the correct deck level.  Marked out the the deck templates using tracing paper.   I decided to make my own templates so if I made an error I could do them again and again till I got them all right.   Can't do that if I messed up the originals.   The hull will need to be made ready for the prop shafts and rudder before i bond in the templates and support beams.  So will report again when done.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 16 July 2012, 23:00:32
Hi Paul glad to see you made a start on her, look forward to following your progress.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 28 July 2012, 15:47:02
Well the next stage was to cut out the propshaft apertures, and trim to fit, instruction said cut to within the area displayed on the hull and open to 40mm.  Done but when I looked for the markings of for the propshaft frames, none to be found.  So with a bit of help from Deans I used playdow to support the tubes in position and fitted the propellers and found the best place to fit the frames.  Made a small bracket to fit on the ends of the propshaft tubes to ensure i had the same distance between then all the way down.  Using a very small drill 0.05 made the holds for the frames and positioned all.  As the attached photos show all looks well.  But there is a sting in the tail, see next post.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 28 July 2012, 15:58:49
After fitting the frames drilled out and fitted the rudder tube.   Made sure the tube was clear and the rudder fitted with no problems.   Set every thing up and all looked OK.   So I went ahead with the bonding of the tubes and used a 5 min drying time epoxy also using some fiber glass matting to help in the strength.   After drying time, i checked and found all is well,  but then I noticed the height of the propshaft inside the hull was higher then 5mm, in fact it was closer to 3.5 cm.   Need to look into how the motors will fit now!   After checking the clearance of the motors they will be very close to the under side of the deck.   Also noted at the end I still have to fit a support plate for the rudder tube.   Well I am wondering if the motors being higher in the hull will make a difference or should I cut out the shafts and drill the holes wider for the prop shaft frames so the go deeper into the hull hence lowering the other end of the propshaft and the final postion of the motors.   If so what would be the best method to loosen the expoxy?
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 29 July 2012, 10:37:09
how its looks when motor are in place (temp)
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: colin on 29 July 2012, 11:26:37
Hi Paul,
you could warm the epoxy with a hair dryer, this should give you enough play in the epoxy to remove the shafts... without damaging anything.
if you have a lot of epoxy then you could use an old soldering iron, to remove a lot of the epoxy first...
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 30 July 2012, 10:50:23
Thanks Colin, but should I enlarge the holes to push futher into the hull the prop frames and then reseal with epoxy, so that the shaft are lower down, as they seem to be the cause of the problem or should I cut them down in hight and drill using some copper wire to hold in place after soldering in?
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: colin on 30 July 2012, 11:48:27
Hi Paul
looking at your photo's, your "A" frames look OK, you might have to lengthen your slots for the prop shafts so that the motor end of the prop shaft can be lowered into the hull.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: Manxman1831 on 30 July 2012, 23:54:20
Hello.  Looking at your pictures of the prop tubes for your destroyer, I thought I might offer my two penn'orth.  The slot length looks good.  If you can, cut out the epoxy (or if possible shatter it) and lower your tubes with the A-frames still attached until they are resting against the leading end of the slots.  The length of the frames will prevent your propellers from actually hitting the hull, whilst the length of the slots looks like it will accommodate the motor end being lowered.

I know others may have made this suggestion in passing, but once you are happy with the new angling, tape up the outside of the hull over the slot and pour a healthy dose of resin into the slot.  Once dry, the resin should match the profile of the tape, and that can be removed (except for the bits bonded to the resin).
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 31 July 2012, 14:40:46
Hi Paul,  The motors in my solebay are quite high,the highest point on the motors to the underside of the deck is 15mm. I can't tell the measurement of yours from the photo. but as long as the motors are clear of the under side of deck I would leave as is and not risk damage to the hull, the slight increase in the shaft angle should not effect the running of the boat and in my opinion could even help to keep the bow down at speed.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: mikearace on 31 July 2012, 19:39:04
My Intrepid (Daring) motors are also nearer the underside of the deck than they are the bottom of the hull and I am happy with that.  When I built a V class destoyer Verulam they were also similarly positioned and no affect on sailing.  The only concern there may be is that you will need to ensure the ballasting is careful as the higher motors will affect the centre of gravity and stability so this needss to be compensated for.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 01 August 2012, 08:26:18
Well, guys, having read all the great comments, I have looked again at the build and will try 1st to heat up the epoxy and remove the A frames, and then lower the prop shafts,  then re shape the A frames to suit the space between the lower edge of the hull and the underside of the prop shaft.   I have noticed because I used fibre glass matting placed between the hull and the shaft; its stops the shaft from resting on the front edge of the cut out and this would lower the shaft by another cm, but due to the size of the prop shaft I will need to watch the clearance for the props.   The space from the top of the motor to the under side of the deck would have been less the 10mm so must lower them to make sense of the propulsion of the ship. 
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 01 August 2012, 08:33:17
My First attempted has been OK but will need a second attempted to ensure the prop shafts remain in the final poison.  See attached photos, as during the night the left side has moved slightly away from the re shaped A frame.  This time will place a weight on the connection plate until the epoxy has reset. 
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 01 August 2012, 08:38:52
This is what I like about this site, the years of experience is there with good advise to assist a new moulder to make a great model and feel that every one else has helped in some small part to achieve his or her goal.   Once again thanks gents you are all worth a gold medal for the help you give.  Paul. ^^^
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 03 August 2012, 18:12:33
Well the prop shafts are now in place and I am happy at the height they are.   So made up my motor tray and dry fitted and checked for alignment.   Made up battery tray and holder for the two ECU's and the RX battery.   Place them all in a small seat pad and gut out the shape.   The rudder system is in so all that is required is to wire up the motors and connect all the cables and secure using sticky clips along the each side of the hull.   Then I can start to bond in the deck temp plates and side and cross supports.  Going well.   
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 03 August 2012, 18:14:55
The proposed layout.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 07 August 2012, 15:00:05
The instructions supplied say that I should solder cable and resisters to the motors.  There are no resister in the kit.   Do we have to fit them and if so why and  who can supply them?  Any suggestions please!
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 07 August 2012, 18:45:47
Hi Paul, The suppressors fitted to brushed motors are to stop the electrical noise caused by the brushes which can cause interference to the receiver, having said that I rarely fit them and have never had any trouble with receiver interference, but if you decide to fit them you can get a suppression kit with instructions from just about any model shop.  I see you are using a receiver battery pack, instead of the battery eliminator circuit on the speed controller is there a reason for that.   Joe.

also Paul don't forget to keep the speed controllers as far away from the receiver as possible
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: mikearace on 07 August 2012, 19:49:11
I never fit them and have never had a problem but guess there is always a first time.  Some people have a head fit if they know you dont fit suppressors but I think personaly the threat is over egged.  Mind you I have a fair few MFA motors in my various boats which already have suppression built in.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 07 August 2012, 20:49:17
Thanks for that gents,  As i have never had a need to fit them either.   The set up I am using is the same as per the instruction with the model.   I hope to use my 40 MHz FM transmitter and receiver, so I have always use a battery pack with RX.  I do not know about the battery eliminator circuit on the Mitroniks Micro Viper ESC.   In the set up instructions it tells me to connect a battery pack to the ESC.   Please do tell more about eliminator circuit.   I have read that I must disconnect the red lead from all ESC when using an external battery pack or I can use this ZGM connection that Mitroniks have now to stop disconnecting wires.   

The other option I have is to do away with the battery pack use the action mixer which is in my MTB and connect the ESC to that along with the servo for the rudder and that does away with all above.  Only draw back is moving the mixer from boat to boat.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 07 August 2012, 22:08:34
I have used two esc's in my solebay connected to the receiver via a Y-lead, remember to remove a red wire from one of the esc's this does away with rx battery, one less battery to charge and I still get about an hours running on the main batteries, and with this setup I get good destroyer like performance without the need for a mixer.

the red wire in each of the rc leads from the esc's is the battery eliminator circuit when using multipal esc's only one of them must supply the receiver, the best way I have found is to ease the red wire contact out of the rc plug and tape it out of the way that way you can always replace it if neccesary.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: Caledonia on 21 October 2012, 16:26:28
Where you going to sail your model?  Largs?
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: Jeremy on 24 October 2012, 17:25:00
If you dont want to cut wires the ZGM from Mtroniks is recommended by them as a solution. I have one but so far have not used it as I only used one  speed controller on each model, I just uprated them. Both of my twins run on a single 40 amp controller
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 26 October 2012, 18:06:30
When I do finish her I will sale her at Irvine pond, has a mixture of water some places flat calm other a bit choppy so will get a good sea trials as they say.   But have stopped working on her at the moment, Doing a scratch build to get use to working with plastic card and once I am happy will continue, do not want to spoil this model.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 17 December 2012, 18:25:15
Well I have returned to building HMS Solebay after a break working on a stealth frigate which I practised cutting measurements and fitting to get a bit of experience as I had never work with plastic card.  So on with the build as I feel confident with it now.  I also hunter around and obtained as many photos of the ship as I could but all are at sea and distance shots of the ship.   So I built up a file of all the Battle class destroyers and got hold of a PDF file of the second book on this type of ship.  That had better close up photos.

So the next task was to bond in the deck support beams/panels.   I found that as there was no plans for their position in the hull other then the photos I had from Radio Joe and Deans Marine, I marked out the open space's from the deck plans to the bottom of the hull and then using them as a guide,  positioned the plates and marked the spots in the hull.  Worked a treat.   When bonding in I used my straight edge and spirit level to ensure all was square.

Once they were in I then drilled out all the of top layer of port holes, using a drill bit with my hand.   Then drilled out the 6 sea hatches 3each side and fitted the sea hatches in place with a little bit of trimming.

Paul.

Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 17 December 2012, 18:32:09
Once I had drilled and fitted the port holes I then bonded into place the deck supports to the side of the hull for the deck to lay on.   I cut a small bit of wood and cut a grove 2mm deep so that all the supports are 2mm below the top of deck was very easy to fit them using the very simple idea.   So will wait now for a few days for the glue to harden.

So far the I am happy with the build and I feel I can work out most of the problems I first saw when I read the build instruction.  So I hope I will be able to build a good quality model which will give me hours of please in her build.   This will be a long project inter mingles with smaller ones along the way.

Any think that you see me do could be done another way would appreciate the tip.

Paul.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: mikearace on 17 December 2012, 19:32:19
Well at the moment it seems your following tried and trusted build steps so some great progress there.  Only word of caution I would suggest is be careful with the deck openings for access to the couplings.  Photo's sometimes do lie, but from the angle your couplings seem a tight access  in the event that something goes wrong with them and they slip or whatever so just make sure that the midships ply and deck access let you get at them.  Its often a tight squeeze I know.  On my Intrepid the oiler tubes are a B&?&?&r to get at - I have to use some fule tubing over them then over the oil can!!!
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 17 December 2012, 19:56:02
Yes Mike I had the same thought when I was doing my measurements.   I noted that Radio Joe did not put in the middle deck support plate but used in stead smaller cross beams.  So I looked at this and positioned the deck so that I could remove the drive motors with out fuss and that the oil holes tubes was also clear.   The only problem i may have is with removing the propshaft coupling.  So if I remove the motor, and can then loosen the coupling from the shaft and then the lock nuts will come off with no problems using a extension bar with a m4 socket on the end.  So I will not have to use so many cross beams and I follow the Dean Marines build very closely so others may do the same.  Your comment is noted and well thought out i hope.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: mikearace on 17 December 2012, 20:21:57
Then all should be okay.  As I said the photo can lie - from the angle I was just a little worried that you might not have clear access to your couplings - from your description its going to be fine.  Didnt want to keep stum and not say anything but didnt want to be seen to be critical - I am not trying to be its just that sods law seems to be when you make access easy tis never needed.  When you dont make access its needed!!  Found that out to my cost with my Sirmar Ton Class Build a few years back when the tiller arm was virtually inaccessible after the build and the tiller arm went over on itself.  Much cussing and swearing and nights spent working out how to sort it out.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 17 December 2012, 21:01:59
The information you gave is the reason why I have put up this tread.  I welcome the information better to know during the build (when you can correct) then after and as you say sods law something does go wrong.  I just hope I have thought it through and it will be OK.  Once again do not be stum please give it will help me and others who read out treads.

Paul
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: colin on 18 December 2012, 10:51:56
Quote
tiller arm was virtually inaccessible after the build and the tiller arm went over on itself.  Much cussing and swearing and nights spent working out how to sort it out.

i have been there also... most of my rudder setups now get two rods, just to be on the safe side... as can be seen in the photo's

i too was a little suspect of your support bean over the cuplings, as mike was... but now i am happy that you will be able to change them just in case you do break a cupling, which it will happen at some time or other, if the props get fouled up, and the motor is strong enough to keep turning, it will dis-join the joints..

now a days i prefer to use plastic bulkheads and support beams insted of wooden deck supports... i guess its just a personal preference..  ::DD  ::DD

you doing a grand job though Paul  ^^^  :)
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 19 December 2012, 22:55:29
Just when I though I was going along well I found my first problem. ( There me thinking I get along OK) When I removed the bonding clamps I found it necessary to check how wide the hull was at the bow and stern because it looked too narrow and there was a small kink in the hull lines.   The check found the measurements did not match the plan.  So I laid out the ship plans and turn the hull upside down and laid it on top of the plans.  Yes my hull lines were wrong, too narrow at the bow from the middle of the  fordeck and from the middle of the aft mid section. The  cause was the bow and stern inserts being too small.   I was able to remove them and then put in the cross beams and the hull came back into shape.  See photos.   So made some new sketches of the stern and bow supports from the plans and the ship.   Will cut out new ones and reshape to fit.  Once I have finshed shaping them I will take photos to show the difference.  Close shave as I was about to cut out the deck sections and they would then be too small to fit. :wink1:
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: Rene on 20 December 2012, 10:59:34
I'm familiar with the problem with my Dreadnought. I was thinking about it when i just fit the ramin pieces, luckily the glue was still wet, so didn't had to break down everything.
I will keep following your build of the solebay with interest.

Regards,
Rene
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: mikearace on 20 December 2012, 19:46:55
Yes that does happen with thinner warship hulls where at the top of the hull it often bends over onitself inwards a touch which isnt always noticable at first look unless the exact measurements are checked as you have done.  But the good thing is that its nothing that the right size beams wont remedy without any undue stresses placed on the hull.  Nice to see more progress.  Soon be ready for the decks. For me thats the bit when I really feel that I am making progress seeing the sealed in decks and starting the superstructure.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 21 December 2012, 10:46:02
Here are to photos of the bow and stern plates new and old, and the templates shown all together. so made new ones to fit.  Will see how I get on with the deck as I cut them out. ^^^
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 21 December 2012, 10:57:45
The decks have been cut out and the rear deck trimmed to fit, can now confirm the position of the cross support beams so that the deck fits nice and square when the deck is layout.   Noticed that the two support lips that have to be bonded to the under side of the Iron deck (rear deck for me) for the main opening and the stern opening will require the support beams to be a bit lower the the hull supports to ensure the deck is flat. (not in he plans and not pointed out.   But when I got to the fore deck problem as the photo shows.  The deck at the bow is too norrow or the hull is too wide. 

Spoke with Deans Marine this morning and explained my Delmer and they advised me that the plan is a guide and can be out by anthing from 10%.   So as I had not bonded the bow support plate in place removed and trimmed it down so that the deck fits with just a very small gap (1mm or so.)   But what I did learn was the when building this boat for other users, you should cut out the decks first and then match the hull to fit the deck when bonding your support beams along the hull sides, bow and stern plates.   That way you will get a fit with out any of the above troubles.  I feel this information should be part of the instructions and added to them by Deans.   What do you think?
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: colin on 21 December 2012, 15:53:51
its a good question Paul....
as the Models that i have built from Deans (Mastif, Furie, Liz Terkol, Inflexible) i have not en counted these problems in those models, of course there is allways slight compensations to be made when fitting any deck, that's why i always cut outside the lines when cutting a deck out, then sand it down to fit the Hull, some people sand the inside of the hull a little more that others, which could give a millimiter difference to the deck size.

mind you non of those models have wooden deck supports or if they did i changed them for plastic.

this also comes down to the modeler him self, the instructions and plan are guide lines, and not a must do..!!
but that's only my opinion   ::DD  ::DD

Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: Dennis on 21 December 2012, 16:50:06
Hey Paul, I ran into a simular problem with the mv muirneag when fitting her decks. There was a slight difference from the bow to the stern. A slight tapper, more narrow at the bow. Like Collin mention, I cut the decks out alittle larger to make up the difference. In the end you could not tell. It all look the same. I do this on most of the build, leave it alittle bigger than what you need and sand it back to fit.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 21 December 2012, 20:33:20
Hi Paul not been on here for a while, good to see you are making progress, re the width of the boat I did see early in my build there was a danger of building in "kinks" in the hull if I relied on the separate formers and cross beams so I cut the deck out first ,making sure the deck line was fair,and used the deck to fit cross beams etc. and fitted the cross beams flush with the deck supports and just notched out where hatch supports cross them, as can be seen in my forth photo.  I have finished my paddle tug now no photos as it was not a Deans, and for now am continuing with my 00 railway which at approx 30 feet long dose take up quite a lot of my hobby room, so with three sizable boats as well as three 1:16 rc tanks I'm running out of room but do hope to build another Deans kit sometime till then I'll keep checking you guys out and wish you and all the other members a merry Christmas and a happy new year.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 21 December 2012, 21:21:48
The think I find confusing was that I measured the plans and the beam was 1258mm at the wides point,  When I measured the deck line to line they where 1300 mm so there was plenty of deck space to trim.   I did this for both decks, the only part I did not measure was the bow section 140 mm from the bow to the midsection of the fordeck.  So when I do the next one I will first thing measure the plans and then using tracing paper copy the line.   I will then lay the tracing paper on the deck layout and if the don't match I'll cut them to the larges size, that way I am sure to get a perfect fit.

As fir the cross beams I will use styrene H beams and cut out the rest pints for the Iron deck so they fit in place.   I will use tear drop clamps each side done in clear plastic screwed to these cross beams in the area around the torpedo tubes (out of sight) this should hold down the mid section deck.   I have cut out the rear section and about to position the three cross beams.  The for deck still has the aperture for the bridge and gun decks to be cut out and then fitting of these two cross beams.   Then I will do a water line and balance test.   

I would like to use brass port holes that match the 3mm holes drilled.  The best I have seen so far are 2.7mm glass area with a 3mm entry hole.   These are round from Westborne models.   Does any one now if there is any others around the same size I can use which suits the age of RN ship. :-\   I think this will set off all the port holes on the ship.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 21 December 2012, 23:06:51
Hi Paul I never found a satifactory brass porthole to fit a 1:96 I have seen the ones you mention fitted to a Deans 1:96 warship but to my mind they just did not look right if you add the width of the flange they just looked too big,  so I just drilled out portholes to 3mm applyed masking tape to the inside and very carefully filled them with clear epoxy If you turn it on it's side and do one side at a time it works quite well,I felt it was better to not draw too much attention to the portholes that would spoil the look of the ship overall.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: karlgalster on 22 December 2012, 13:25:04
Agreed Joe, I have not found any commercially available port holes that look right at these small scales despite them being beautifully made (and expensive). On my current model (not a Deans Marine) which is a 1:128 warship I have taken the process a stage further and have drilled the 3mm holes (still OK at 1:128) in the fibreglass hull but have made the portholes off model using thin walled brass tube. I have cut lengths of the tube about 2-3 mm long using a razor saw and jig and then glazed them off model using the epoxy resin method. After the hull has been painted the "port holes" are stuck in using carefully applied superglue. Three advantages of this method - the port holes look more convincing than the plain glazed holes; no need to worry about wood deck supports interfering with the glazing process; there is possibly a lesser chance of mucking up the hull side paint work (maybe  :wink1:).
On the subject of drawings being just a guideline. I agree perhaps DM should add that information to their build notes. Personally I don't mind this feature of DM kits - it gives us modellers more to think about.  :grin1:
Robin
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 22 December 2012, 14:30:12
Thanks guys, will mull over the port hole idea. Back to shed for more work on the hull.  I like Colins idea of the styrene cross beams instead of wood.   I need to check my plastic card as I seem to have the comming missing from the lay outs i have  or maybe I have to cut my own from the surplus sections.  Will report back on the next stage of the build.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: mikearace on 22 December 2012, 20:22:59
On my Type 81 Tribal Class I took a piece of clear sprue rod from an Airfix Kit (think it was airfix) that was around 2.5mm diameter and cut it off in 2mm pieces with a sharp stanley knife and then inserted and glued them into the portholes.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 23 December 2012, 12:55:02
I have found a possible 1/96 scale porthole from Model-dockyward with an o/d of 2.5mm have emailed them asking if the exterior size is 3mm or less, will see what I get back. ;)
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: colin on 24 December 2012, 14:21:08
at 1:96 you would probably better of with some brassetched port holes... rather than solid ones..!!

Portholes flanged http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/shop/product_info.php/products_id/680 (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/shop/product_info.php/products_id/680)
Portholes non flanged http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/shop/product_info.php/products_id/750 (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/shop/product_info.php/products_id/750)
brass etched port holes (shops closed at the moment so can not see them) http://www.johnrhaynes.com/ (http://www.johnrhaynes.com/)
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 26 December 2012, 13:38:29
Thanks for that Colin was also looking a lace hole eye lets which go small too.  The dock-yard ones seem to be 3.4 mm o/d wide with with a 2.5 I/d.  Will need to have a look and see what they look like in a ship.   Will visit the Glasgow club who have lots of RN ships built by them.  See what they have done.  Hope you had a Merry Christmas and I have enjoyed my goodies.   Hope your family is in good health and having a ball.
Paul
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: colin on 27 December 2012, 10:34:31
a friend of mine down the road is building the Majestic class (HMS Hannibal) and he has used cable / wire Ferrule's to make his port holes, this is also not a bad idea, and can be made up away from the model, once all is painted they can be inserted into the holes and sealed from inside the hull.

Christmas was not bad at all, i am in the UK for Christmas, visiting Family, so far every one that we have visited were doing well, thanks for asking..  :wink1:

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Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 19 January 2013, 19:03:36
Well I have received my new decks and also Deans sent me a new card with the support decks to.   This time I cut out the deck and used the new deck supports removing the would units I had used before as they where too small and caused the problem.   After fitting and cutting the deck fits great and have all the space that is needed for the sea boats and deck equipment.   Just to finish off the installation of the running gear and set up the motor plate and I?ll be ready for bonding the deck in place.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 19 January 2013, 19:19:14
Well after a long look at different ideas I finally went for exterior diameter  3mm brass tube with an internal diameter of 2.5mm.  The section was 300mm long.   I cut off sections 3mm long and then filed the edges down so that they were smoother and then fitted them to each port hole in the hull.  As the port holes had been drilled to 3mm each one fitted nice and tight and with the odd exception they look very good in deed.   I will now bond then from the inside to ensure a good seal and then use clear glue to form the glass effect.   I have taken a couple of pictures to show how I cut each section.   Using a block of wood drilled a 3mm hole pushed the brass tube through and then using a cutting tool cut section 3mm long and then using very small file trimmed them to fit.  When the hull is primed they will look very nice.
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Post by: paul swainson on 20 January 2013, 23:18:05
Hi Joe,   Can you help with a small problem I have.  I see from your photo,s that the rear deck risers have been bonded to the inside edge of the cut out section but the front gun deck the risers look as though they have been bonded to the surface of the forward deck buy some way (2 to 3mm).  Can you advise as I was going to bond the raisers to the inside cut.  Paul.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 21 January 2013, 10:15:57
Hi Paul,   yes they are different, I made the superstructure modules up before I did the risers and was glad I decided to do it that way as the aft opening which I had already cut out to the lines was a bit too big to bond the risers on top, (just one of those Deans quirks you have to get over) so I centered the module over the opening and marked the outside with a sharp pencil and allowing for the thickness of the walls trimmed the opening out and bonded the risers to the edge having first put strips around the under side so as to double the thickness of the deck and make a larger bonding area.
The forward opening was about 4mm smaller all round so I centered the module over the opening as I did with the aft one and bonded the risers on top of the deck again allowing for the thickness of the walls plus a clearance amount as you don't want it too tight, also you don't have to follow the shape too closely on the aft end of the forward module. Hope this helps Paul,I see yours is coming along nicely.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 21 January 2013, 11:05:24
Thanks for that Joe,  I have started to build the supperstructures and have not yet bonded the decks.  So with your advise will build the base for both front and rear gun decks and then cut the deck to suit before bonding the deck.   What do you think of the port holes?  Paul  :grin1:
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Post by: radio joe on 21 January 2013, 12:21:24
yes port holes are going to look fine, ^^^ they must have been very fiddley to do, but better than fitting over scale ones that tend to look like bootlace holes.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 28 January 2013, 12:53:31
Well have done the B gun deck and part of the bridge, found the markings in some place too small and on others too large,  cut out the bits then measured each to fit the main structure.  Some need to be enlarged and other to be cut smaller.   I have enclosed photos of the build.   I used Joe idea to build the lower section of the B gun deck and then using the center line of the supperstructure plus a measurement of 25cm from the bow up held it down with tape marked the the out line of the structure to the deck (still not bonded to the hull at this point.)  then using a 1.5mm gap marked the out edge of the raisers so I know were to bond.  Then taking the front and rear raised placed and bonded to the lines marked with the center line for each piece. then fitted fitted each piece from the rear to the front stopping at each bonding and checking that the structure fitted OK until all the raisers were in place.  Sanded them down till the structure was flat.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 28 January 2013, 12:57:31
Then I cut out the top section of the B gun deck.   I then measured the flag deck parts and using the same method I had to enlarge and reduce some parts to fit the walls of the flag deck.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 28 January 2013, 13:03:47
The top deck has not as yet been bonded so I can play around with measurements.  The bridge was my bigest problem so I cut out the main sections, trimmed the base ensured it fitted correctly to the top of B gun deck.  The started with the rear panel of the bridge I struck in place using small bits of masking tape.  then worked my ways round measuring and trimming each section until they are all in place and held with masking tape.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 28 January 2013, 13:12:00
Hi Paul, nice going ,all looking very familiar, you sure have got the hang of it you should have no trouble now ^^^
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 28 January 2013, 13:14:19
Then I when I cut out the bridge deck found the rear panel was too high as the deck did not fit flat and also the observation cut outs the section to build up were too small.  So I before I Bond the the bridge section I measured the new height of the rear panel and cut to suit.  Then removed the tape I had used and bonded each of the panels in place ensuring it was nice and square.   Instead of doing the lower search light decks (44 & 45) first as per the instructions I did the smaller observation cut outs using surplus 0.5mm material I cut and boned in to place and then trimmed to suit bridge cut out.   Then build the other decks (44 & 45) to suit and then fit in place.  The made up the the wind breaks for this deck first.  Would recommend that the two wind breaks are done to gather so that you get the same spacing on both sides.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 28 January 2013, 13:26:10
The half finished bridge now in place (still not bonded yet) still have the inside to do.   I again cut the 3mm brass tube to cut out my port holds.   So the next step will be to  fill all the gaps with plastic padding and rub down to a nice smooth surface and then bond the B gun deck to the lower structure and trim to the correct edges.  Then I can fit the under deck supports beams add a bit of detail the the under side to give it a bit of life. then I think the water light doors and any piping and little bits of detail should be bonded to the sides.   Then primed ready for the top coat.   Cut out some deck covering place in position and then paint with the rest of the supper structure.  Or should I wait till the other part of the bridge is done.  I feel the bridge should be painted before it is bonded in place as it will be a lot easier to handle?
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: ship's doctor on 28 January 2013, 18:50:15
Looking great Paul- in terms of painting- when I built the tribal class kit, which is similar, I tried to keep all the levels separate until painted to give a cleaner line between the decks and the superstructures, and to make things easier to handle as you say. 

Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 03 February 2013, 11:50:16
Well have done some more work with the Bridge and put in a lot of detail.   I have to replace the small search lights as the are incomplete around the retaining brackets and when my big fingers tried to hold them the just broke in two.  Very weak I think; so will look for some think on line a bit stronger and also looking for two large bino for the same position to stand beside them search lights.   Any ideas gent?   I have to finish of the wind breaks at the front of the bridge and then I will need to put some clear glass to finish it off.  Will post photos soon when I get my camera on line.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 03 February 2013, 11:53:10
Have made a start on the main mast.   Soldered the section together, a point to note the you must solder the small side section to the inside of the outer sections to ensure a good square.   Lots of filing off of the small holding taps and then some nice soft running solder to ensure a nice clean solder.  Again will post some photos.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 03 February 2013, 11:57:11
I hope to arrange a visit to the Glasgow transport museum as they have a detailed model of HMS Finisterre.  Here I found a photo on the internet and as you can see there is quiet some detail just in this photo.   So hope to get some more and use to help add detail and under stand where parts fit.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 03 February 2013, 13:54:52
And a couple more
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 04 February 2013, 11:24:42
the last one
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 04 February 2013, 20:54:31
Well I have done about 80% of the rear gun deck.  Just some more detail to put on and some of the extra detail I have found.   I found the contruction on this very confusing to start with.   Cut out the sections then found they again did not match, location of the port hole for the stern section rear walls did not match up and  then the other end did not match the top deck.   The raisers were placed in the same way as the bridge structure.  The built section placed on the deck and marked round the outs and then using a ruler marked out the position of the raisers.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 09 February 2013, 19:40:32
Hi can any one help with this please.  What is a PV Frame?  I can not see it in the build instructions and I am at a loss as to what it is, were it goes. :-\
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 09 February 2013, 19:46:13
Have done most of the next gun deck, still to bond the engine vents and the walkway.   The radio mast and the doors.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 09 February 2013, 19:51:04
I found this picture of a build done back in 2006 and this is photo etch walk ways supplied with the deans kit are they still around or does some one know were I can find them?

I have found them on the etra sheet of brass etch for model accessories.  Will see if the fit.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 09 February 2013, 20:32:37
Here are five different builds of the rear deck gun crew cabin.  Some show the cabin open as a form of lean too; some show the cabin fully closed.   The 2nd photos is in the Deans Marine CD with photos of the completed model, others are Joe and mine.  The other is of another build that I found.   The kit came with only three sides and there is no overhang for the cabin.   So what would be correct?
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 10 February 2013, 07:44:03
Hi Paul,  The pv frame goes right on the stern over the centre dc shute note it has a fairlead on top, it was for towing the parvaine,and towing in general, It is shown clearly in the last few of my photos with the ensign staff along side it. as for the aft gun deck shelter as you have seen from my pics I closed the front in I figured it would not be much of a shelter if it were open.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 10 February 2013, 12:27:02
Thanks for that Joe,  as it is part of the depth charge system its not in the plans.  I have purchased the extra photo etch  plate for destroyers and there is a more detail build in Brass.   there are lots of other items on it which as an Army man know very little about.   If I email you a PDF file of the items on this sheet could you help in showing me where a lot of them go before I use all the items from the kit and then have to remove them.  Paul
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Post by: radio joe on 10 February 2013, 12:29:27
Hi Paul,  Glad to help if I can. I don't think the pv frame is part of the dc system it,s just built over one of the shutes I think it's just to keep the towing hauser in place hence the fairlead and the bollard on the deck forwrd of it.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 10 February 2013, 12:32:53
Will scan the info sheet and and email it to you thanks.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: Dennis on 10 February 2013, 16:56:11
Hey Paul, very nice build you have there. Haven't built any battle ships yet but you might have inspire me to try one.  ^^^
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 11 February 2013, 18:58:48
Well gents I have been to the Transport Museum at Glasgow riverside and took some very good photos of the Model HMS Finisterre and they have come out very good.   I will put them on to my flicker stream for other builders to view as the detail is very good and will help to build a great model.   I believe there is no place in this forum to put them unless some one can tell me were, as this is a builders model.  Paul

Here is the link   http://www.flickr.com/photos/92998762@N02/sets/72157632741849645/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/92998762@N02/sets/72157632741849645/)

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Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 20 February 2013, 17:57:50
Well I have now just about completed the Q deck.   It was quiet a job to bond the side panel to the deck allowing for the over hang to be all one section.  Then to add the armour supports and then the air vent.  Think I did a good job. 
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Post by: paul swainson on 20 February 2013, 18:00:06
Then bonded in the engine room Air vents with small grills for the intake.  Looks very impressive.
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Post by: paul swainson on 20 February 2013, 18:19:30
So here is the ship now with all her decks in place.  So the next item on the build list is the funnel.  Not impressed with the funnel so hope Joe will give me some pointers, like did he cut out the shape first then bond and shape or did he bond and then cut and shape?   not sure my self need to think this item through.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 20 February 2013, 18:26:00
Had a look at the 4.5 guns and found there is no base to the outer shell of the turret.  Did you make your own base Joe?
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 22 February 2013, 11:13:59
Hi Paul,   yes the funnel was a bit tricky, I trimmed both halves almost to the trim lines then placed a sheet of 300g silicon carbide paper (wet or dry paper) on a flat serface and rubbed the joint of each half intill I achieved a good fit then held them together with sellotape, then used a few spots of epoxy across the inside of the joint, when set removed the tape and applied body filler over the inside of the joint when set this makes the funnel rigid and strong then used the the same rubbing method for the joints, to rub a good flat base, and finally rubbed the out side with 600g wet paper to blend in the joints, I did 'nt worry too much about the inside as when painted black you don't see it.

The main turrets I think are originally meant to be bonded straight to the deck and be static I wanted to make mine turn so yes I did fit a base to them using 1 mm plasticard I placed the turrets on the card and drew round them trimmed the bases leaving the line in but before you bond them in place fit a 20mm x 2mm bolt through the base in the centre and hold it captive with epoxy over the head, now bond the base to the turrets and trim and sand to a good finish when painted you don't see the joint, you now have turrets with a pivot shaft,drill a hole in the deck and place a clearance washer between the deck and the turret so it turns freely, I then put a coil spring on the bolt under the deck followed by a nut, tighten to the right tension followed by a spare servo horn and another nut tightened on to the horn that's how I did it, of course you may have your own method.  anyway I hope this helps.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 22 February 2013, 15:41:08
Thanks for that Joe.  The idea I had was to cut away the surplus and leave about 5mm then bond the with evo stick. rub down the base till i got a smooth surface, cut the base open and fill with foam which will harden then buff down the edge that I left of 5mm until I get a smooth finish.  Then remove the tip and bond the the top of the funnel and then add the wire top screen and then do the outside items.   But like the idea of just using filler along the inside joint.  Paul.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: mikearace on 22 February 2013, 19:56:33
It also helps to use a little scrap plastic strip down each side of one half of the funnel maybe 2mm either side just to give a base for the other half to stick to.  That also adds a little strength at the join.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: colin on 23 February 2013, 13:43:14
you beet me to it mike, i had the same answer um my sleeve..  ;D  ;D

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Post by: mikearace on 23 February 2013, 16:42:13
It also gives a base for the filler to press down onto if there are any larger gaps so the filler doesnt push through at a later stage a little while after its been built.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 24 February 2013, 10:54:43
Thanks for that. I have read the build instruction again and they too mention to use a 0.5mm strip to aid the bonding of the two halves.  So have made a start and will post photos and a few words on how I got on.   This is going to be fun !  I hope I don not make a mess of it.  Paul
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Post by: mikearace on 24 February 2013, 15:50:12
Im sure you wont make a mess of it Paul but in any case remember to sand the halves on a flat surface in a circular motion with lots of water that way the sanding down process keeps it all at the same amount and give a very straight line.  If you then use the strip emthod any gaps are easily filled and sanded flat.  Its surprising how good the halves go together doing it this way.
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Post by: cabin boy on 24 February 2013, 19:29:20
Hi Paul Clive here first time. I am doing the same build. Saw your question re funnel, something I was about to do. I set to that evening carefully cut out two parts, sanded both parts on one foot square medium and fine sandpaper. Then glued a 2 mm piece of 0.5 on inside one half funnel let dry the glued two parts together. Then gently sanded with wet and dry medium and fine until join no longer felt. Looks good. Your photos and those of Joe have been a great help in my built, instructions with kit leave a lot to be desired. The built is a thoughtful challenge, especially that this is the first one I have tried to build, hence Cabin Boy (starting at the bottom) Almost constructed as much as you. Good luck with funnel
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Post by: paul swainson on 24 February 2013, 23:10:22
Well I have finished the funnel.  I took my time and looked at the two half's read the instruction again and then spotted the the cutting lines inside the vacuum mould of the Funnel.   If I had gone ahead and boned the two side together I would have had a very wide funnel and would have ruined the work I was about to start.  So I marked out the cut lines inside and out, cut away the excess material and using a stone granite chopping board with 800 wet and dry rubbed down each half till I reached the pencil lines I had marked on each half.  Then using 1200 wet and dry rubbed down till The lines were just about to be removed.  Using 0.5mm strips I cut the length of the funnel with a break at the bend in the funnel line I bonded these one to each side front on side side and rear on the other.    I then cut out only the top center of the funnel leaving the bottom to add strength to the structure while it bonded. The using masking tape reversed i held the to half's together and then using a glue flow pencil bonded the 0.5mm strips to the opposite side and pressed into the funnel with a 6 inch ruler.  Then using the 1200 wet and dry rubbed down the whole unit to remove the sharp edge of the joint and smooth out any gaps.  (Picture 1.)  Then using the same wet & dry paper rubbed down the base till the unit was flat and this removed the center section at the base as I rubbed down.  This ensured I had a good flat base.   The cut out the small funnel plat form and stuck to the side of the funnel at the correct height taken from the plans. (Picture 2.)  Using the same method above I cut and rubbed down the funnel top and then cut out the center section.  I used four strips of 0.50mm card cut 10mm long and 3mm wide.   Turned the funnel top on its head and bonded then two to each side to support the funnel top to the funnel its self.  By placing two waste sections of card 0.5mm laid on the top of the funnel (the kept the top section clear of the funnel at the same distance while I bonded the four support struts.   Being 0.5mm meant they could be bent and boned to the inside of the funnel not the top edge.
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Post by: paul swainson on 24 February 2013, 23:23:31
I then took a small strip of tube styrene about 0.35mm and placed between two 12 inch rulers stuck to my mat and run a Sharpe blade down the length to create a flat surface so that I could bond the support for cables to the top section of the funnel using the plans to mark the correct distance.  To help be kept a straight line I marked the distance out on a section of masking tape cut to the desired width and then rapted around the funnel top section with the sticky side facing out until it stuck on its self. Then using the lower edge I bonded the cable support beam around the the funnel (I did stretch the styrene around a small bottle to get a nice curve.
Then fitted the funnel plateform and suing some very fine 0.20mm micro strips bonded foot grates and using a 0.2mm flat micro lined the edge of the platefore to give the fine edge you would normally see on this type of platform.  The railling are just 0.5mm square styrene for support and the banister.
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Post by: paul swainson on 24 February 2013, 23:32:00
I then made up the siren plateform from the photo etch destroyer kit and once the sides were folder I cut a small triangle from 0.5mm waist and boned into place with supper glue.  Then using a 0.65mm drill I drilled into the  underside section of siren plateform and again through the walkway to allow some 0.4mm round styrene to create the air line to the siren.   Rubbed down the siren with a small file to remove the Sharpe edges and make the siren look like one and then pined this to the funnel so that it rests on the plateform.  Then just bonded the rest of the tube to the foot of the funnel.  Using the two steam vent pipes supplied with the kit (J64) shaped and pined to the funnel.
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Post by: paul swainson on 24 February 2013, 23:38:44
I made op the funnel mesh as per the instruction and I used electrical cable which had the insulation removed and then strands taken to from the layout.  Once soldered as per the instructions I used the 0.65mm drill and marked and drilled the holes into the top cover of the funnel and fitted the mesh.  The fine result!
I will try to get clear photos as the camera dose not take good close up shots.  I hope you like.  Paul
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Post by: colin on 25 February 2013, 07:58:08
i knew you could do it Paul...  ::DD  ::DD

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Post by: radio joe on 25 February 2013, 13:23:36
Well done Paul, I knew you would make a good job of it.
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Post by: Dennis on 25 February 2013, 14:12:48
Excellent work Paul, nice details on the funnel ^^^ ^^^
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Post by: radio joe on 25 February 2013, 16:26:56
Hey Paul,  I just noticed you don't have an opening for the gangway in the aft end of Q deck, is that intentional.
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Post by: paul swainson on 25 February 2013, 16:56:51
Yes I Left it alone until I put in the extra long ladder.  As the ladder comes from the deck to the walk way not from the Q deck I left it alone until I see what space is there and then will put in two supports either side of the ladder when its in and then cut away the un needed rail.  " What Sharpe eyes you have Joe.  Nice to know you are keeping me right.
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Post by: radio joe on 25 February 2013, 17:15:36
Hi Paul   I should have known you had it all in hand, and now you said that I seem to remember I did the same thing, ( another senior moment )  LOL
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Post by: mikearace on 25 February 2013, 19:30:28
Well there is sod all wrong with that funnel Paul!!  Cracking job despite your trepidation.
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Post by: paul swainson on 27 February 2013, 20:33:07
Thanks lads for all the nice comments.  I really thought I would mess the funnel and nearly did.  Well I am now going to seal all the hull port holes and fill them with clear epoxy and then set up the lighting so that I can see the port holes.  I have two ideas.   
1st using a 6 volt mini bulb one for each row, that means one for top row and one for the bottom row on each side for the bow and one for each side at the stern.  Using a box section of styrene with one side cut away and the ends sealed and lined with silver baking foil.  Place the bulb at the end and then bond the section along each row of port holes. wire the bulbs to a central point and connect a battery to run all lights.
2ND Taking a rear brake light unit from a Mercedes-Benz CLC (when broken down the inside has four printed circuits with very small LED wire with built in ressisters.) cut the wiring for each board insert into each box section like above one side cut away and lined with silver foil.  Wire the boards to a central point so that they are wired in sequence to maintain the circuit system and connect a battery.  The problem is that this would have to be 12volts with enough amps to drive the LED,s  (do not need them as bright as care brake lights 21Amps.  But enough to give off light.  Food for thought.
Any other ideas?
Paul.
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Post by: radio joe on 27 February 2013, 21:06:25
Hi Paul, lit portholes ? well you are going the whole hog,  I would personally use 6 volt led's they have a much longer life than filament bulbs and run without any heat, plus less power drain and one tip if I may, use orange ones they look far more realistic on a model than clear white light I used them on my railway buildings with good effect, Do you intend to switch the lights remotely, this is how I did the lights and smoke on my paddle tug.
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Post by: paul swainson on 27 February 2013, 22:18:06
Thanks for that Joe, will add that to my thought process.  Paul
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Post by: paul swainson on 01 March 2013, 17:31:23
Well the 1st idea did not work with a 6 volt micro bulb.   I cut a small section of a three sided box section and lined it with silver foil.  Place the bulb mid section and using masking tape taped it covering a section of port holes.  It light up three port holes, but the disaster is that you could see the main light through the side of the hull.  The printed circuit boards all work but I will need a box section that is 12mm wide for the Printed circuit board to be held inside.  So will try a section again using the deck to close up the hull and see what effect the LED lights have when I switch them on.  I have a feeling that the idea of lights for the port holes in the hull are not going to work. Paul.
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Post by: mikearace on 01 March 2013, 19:02:10
Given this Paul, if you really want to light up the internals, is it worth concentrating on the bridge structure where you can paint the insides dark to reduce 'light through' which wont show outside once you have painted her grey?
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Post by: radio joe on 01 March 2013, 22:14:46
Hi Paul , I meant to say all my railway buildings I had to blacken the insides, because models in general are made from thin materials ,so I suppose you could just blacken the whole inside of the hull and under deck and and just place a few led's down the centre line which would shine though all the ports. just an idea.
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Post by: paul swainson on 10 March 2013, 12:00:08
That is not a bad idea, good job I have not bonded the deck, as that will allow me to do that with out any problems and paint the prime the inside of the supper structure as mike pointed out. Thought a nice bright red which would help the refection of the LEDs.  Food for thought.  Thanks Joe and Mike
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Post by: paul swainson on 15 March 2013, 18:56:53
 Joe, Was looking at the instructions for the T/P set up.   The base which you cut out is longer then the  area of the Torpedo is did you have to cut back the central part of the base to allow the torpedo to fill on leaving an over hang at the loading hatches of about 2mm.  The other end is straight forward and should be OK by just cutting back to the start of the opening of the tub its self.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 15 March 2013, 19:38:17
Hi Paul,  I just did what I thought looked right and place them on the deck one pointing forward and one aft, I would imagine they would have turn though 360 degrees but they are a bit more snug on the model, just found a photo of them that was not in the build log hope it helps.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 17 March 2013, 14:22:49
I am about to try the ship in the water and I carried out dry test of the motors and servos with the ESC.  When I tested the motors I saw that both props turned anti clock wise!  I though the they should turn one one anti clock wise and the other clock wise due to the angle of each prop blades.   So should I wire the motors so that when going forward the Port motor turns Anti clock wise and the starboard motor wire the opposite way to go in reverse so to speak to turn the propeller clockwise. I will assume that in full astern the motors will go in the opposite direction. :-\  Paul
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 17 March 2013, 15:08:38
yes Paul one of the motors has to be wired in reversed polarity , I personally always have the port prop turning clockwise and the stbrd prop anticlockwise looking forward,  as I noted that this was the way the ships in drydock in Portsmouth dockyard had the props. It's just a question of changing wires or props over till you get it how you want it.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: colin on 17 March 2013, 16:49:27
you might like to read these posts....

Rotation of twin props
 (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/index.php?topic=441.msg2518#msg2510)
Steering a twin engined boat
 (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/index.php?topic=394.msg2066#msg2066)
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 17 March 2013, 17:00:36
Thanks Colin, will do and I hope to resolve my problem.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: mikearace on 17 March 2013, 18:28:11
Looking from astern to forward, the normal convention is the port would turn clockwise and the starboard anti c.  All that is required Paul is to swap the polarity of the wires on your port motor from how you describe it.  However if your props are handed you may then need to swap the props around.  Suggest you start with the port motor wiring first and see how that goes.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 17 March 2013, 19:14:46
yes spot on Mike just had a look at what I had done and the port motor on my solebay has wires reversed.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: rsm on 18 March 2013, 14:48:40
If you want to be authentic the propellers should turn out when looking from the stern forward, i.e. the port propeller turns anti-clockwise and the starboard propeller clockwise. This is the same for most Royal Navy vessels, but I can pop up a picture of a 'Battle' in dry dock if it helps (when i get home from work!). Regards.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 18 March 2013, 20:13:23
Hi Roger,

That is what I have now got when looking at the stern the left side (Port) is turning anticlockwise and the right  (starboard) is turning clock wise.  All I have to do now is make sure I have the correct prop on the correct side.

Any photos you may have a battle class would be helpfull Please forward to my Email in my profile.  Once again thanks for your help.  Paul.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 18 March 2013, 20:59:08
Joe,  I am having a wee bit of a problem with the HACS (high angle control system) unit on the bridge.   What material are they using and with all the different types What bonding agent did you use.  The perspex glass section looks terrible and do you have to rub it down at the base to get it to be flat and even with the top.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 18 March 2013, 22:27:59
Hi Paul   yes the semi-clear perspex piece needed to be flattened off bottom and top I used wet and dry paper on flat surface then glue to top of tower and the top gets a plasticard top made up of two pieces as you can see in one of my pics in my log Page5 I think,  as for gluing I mostly use admiralty glues Cyanoacrylate thin you can assemble dry and clamp if you want ,.and use the capillary method ,very strong joint and will be fine for all the components in the HACS.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 19 March 2013, 20:08:36
Thanks Joe.   I thought that my be the case as it was too think to fit.   I am using Q-Bond Cyano glue which bonds all most every think.  But does not like styrene to perspex.  Paul
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 25 March 2013, 11:18:34
Well after some time I have now completed the HACS tower and now it requires to be primed ready for painting.  I do not know what the material the tower is made from from but I could not get items to bond to it.  But I think I did a fair job.  Not my best but I do not think I can improve on it.  So with some primer and top coat of paint it should look the part.   I have put some extra detail on which is not in the model kit but is on the ship I hope it looks OK.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 25 March 2013, 11:20:31
I still have to mount the two rear ladders to the rear of the bridge and the door, but it should now look the part.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 25 March 2013, 19:01:26
Hi Paul, I think that should look fine, as you say paint makes things look better I know I got away with a lot thanks to a coat of it.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 25 March 2013, 19:21:47
Yes very true, the first coat of primer is on and will wait to dry for a few days before I put on the second coat.  Its looks a lot better.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: mikearace on 25 March 2013, 19:45:26
Looks just what is supposed to be so a fine job there and as you say once the paint is on it is surprising how much it adds to the look.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 26 March 2013, 13:12:43
Thanks for that Mike, I tried hard and now the first cost of primer is on its not too bad at all.  Will put photos up once the primer has dried and the second coat has been applied.  Paul ^^^
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 06 April 2013, 20:55:26
Well I have finally built the torpedo tubes and added the detail and placed on the deck to see if they will fit.   I hope to be able to have them sitting bow to stern and then be able to turn them on the pivot base I think that will be tight.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 06 April 2013, 20:59:14
They are now primed and fitted onto the deck and they all turn.   I made a small adjustment to the layout by turning one set of tube the opposite way to the other.  That will let me turn them and also have firing position to each side of the ship.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 06 April 2013, 21:03:08
The forward 4.7 guns turrets have been positioned and the base bonded and in position to allow me the fit small servos to allow the guns to turn.   I hope also to ling up the HA range finder to the same linkage so that it turns as well as the guns.  So here is a few photos to show how she is looking now.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 06 April 2013, 21:23:35
Looking good Paul, I decided not to turn the torpedo racks on mine ,mainly because the operator pod on the aft rack would not pass under the gangway for some reason, I could have cut the pod off and lowered it but in the end didn't bother,,probably a silly question but did you remember to fit the captive bolts in the turrets.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 06 April 2013, 21:30:38
I fitted the bolt (2mm) and then heated  it into the base and then bonded it with more plastic melted to ensure a secure fit, then bonded the under side of the bolt with Q-bond to ensure the tread was bonded to the base.  Hope that makes it secure.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 06 April 2013, 21:32:54
Well done Paul, I said it was a silly question.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 06 April 2013, 21:35:41
Your questions are never silly Joe,  Your help has been great and really appreciate it.  Paul
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: mikearace on 06 April 2013, 21:38:41
Its all coming together very nicely.  I must admit round about now in a build is the time I start to feel a little satisfied when it is resembling the actual ship its meant to be rather than just a hull and some box structures.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 06 April 2013, 21:48:02
Very True Mike, I am feeling very satisfied just now the ship is beginning to look like a ship and the one think in my favour at the moment I still have not bonded the decks so can still do work very easily with out having to work in confine spaces.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 06 April 2013, 21:50:29
Joe I have been looking through my old box of bolts/screws and sorts, but not able to come across any small springs the size if 2mm.   What size spring did you use for the gun turret bolts.  and do you have any spare ones.(2)?  Paul
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: mikearace on 06 April 2013, 22:02:29
I am at a similar stage with my Sirmar Motor Minesweeper and I have just bonded the weather deck and main deck today after testing all the electrics and it is very satisfying as I can now paint the hull.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 07 April 2013, 09:58:38
Hi Paul, yes I've got quite a lot of springs, and I've got two of the same I used on Solebay  they are about 3mm bore and  34mm long so you'll have to cut them to suit, E-mail  me your address and I'll pop them in the post.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 07 April 2013, 10:58:55
Hi Joe,  I thought you used 2mm springs!  3mm or M3 I should be able to get from the local hardware shop.   But just in case I will send you my address and once again thanks.  I just always assume that every think is the same size so that it fits snugly.  Paul.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 07 April 2013, 13:33:31
You will find that with a washer on each end of the springs it's fine, I've got your address so I'll post them in case you cannot get any. I must admit I'm a bit jealous about your local club sailing our type of craft, we have a club in Gosport but all they seem to be interested in is non scale yacht racing ie. rc 1 metres, vane sailing and rc marbleheads, apart from mine I've never seen another warship or scale boat down the lake.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 10 April 2013, 18:00:52
Hi Joe, I received the springs you sent got them On Tuesday Morning.   Once again thanks.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 15 April 2013, 13:52:40
Can any one help with a small difference in what I see on the attached photo to the lay out of the model I am building.   The sea boat and other boats stored on deck on the original ship seem to show the boat stored in wards with the Derrek's pointing in wards and over shadowing the boats.  (See picture 1) On the model I see the boats seem to be ready for lowing into the sea like picture 2
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 15 April 2013, 14:39:56
Hi Paul, As I under stand it there were two types of davit fitted to warships of that period the early ones were a swiveling type where the boats were stowed inboard with the davits outboard to deploy the boats was a bit of a juggling act where the crew had to pull the whaler or m-boat aft and swivel the forward davit around the bow of the boat and then pull the boat forward and swivel the aft davit around the transom of the boat the boat is now outboard of the davits, Then there was the type as fitted to our models that had hydraulic struts on the inboard of the davits and the boats were stowed inboard with the davit racked back, and the boats were deployed by activating the hydraulic struts that swung the boats outboard,  Joe
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 15 April 2013, 16:26:02
So when did the type we have on our models come into service as both the pictures I have shown are of HMS Solebay taken in the late 40 just after the war.   I also of pictures of Solebay in the 1960 and she had the same davits fitted them evan after her refit in 1953.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 15 April 2013, 16:36:52
Can't answer that one Paul, as you say both of those photos show the swivel type, maybe it was a late modification or perhaps only fitted to some of the "battles"
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 15 April 2013, 16:43:15
Yes Joe I have to agree, with you.   I have loads of photos of all the battles from D009 upto D97 and all of them show the latter davits fitted to the main lunches.  Only the second sea boat has the second type.  May be just a bit of Deans Marine using some sort of licence here!  Paul
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 15 April 2013, 16:56:59
Yes I'm sure you are right there, whilst deans build in to superb models they are perhaps not 100 percent accurate, the side bridges on bramble for instance are square as was HMS marvels but brambles side bridges were wedge shaped, I could have altered them but already had the sides on them when I found this out so decided to leave as is, but I still like the way you have to build deans models and alter if you want, rather than the airfix slot together types.
Paul just found these pics it seems at least two of the battles had hydraulic davits camperdown and hogue and the last pic solebay dose appere to have them at the time of the photo
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: ship's doctor on 15 April 2013, 18:22:03
Hi Paul,

In the photo of the right (starboard?) side as you say the after sea boat has the hydraulic davits whereas the fwd one has the swivel type. I think the after boat is a 27ft whaler which could be deployed quickly whist the ship was underway eg. to pick up survivors, so this one would have had the hydraulic type, whereas the other motor launches would have been used at anchor when there was time to swing them out. 

James
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 16 April 2013, 08:32:24
Camperdown is showing her stbrd side and Hogue is showing her port side and all the davits do look like hydraulics to me so on this occasion I'd say Deans have probably got it right
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 16 April 2013, 16:34:39
Thanks guys, that puts my mind at rest.  As I am not a naval man they looked different.  So will continue without any delay.  Once again thanks.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 21 April 2013, 12:05:19
Well I have now completed the Main Mast.   Have been putting it off for a while as my soldering is rubbish.   It could be that I have the wrong tool to do detail soldering jobs or just do not have the skill yet which i need to be build on and practise till it becomes better.  So the next job is to prime the unit and ensure it is ready to be finally fitted to the ship.

I am working on the system to operate the forward gun turrets.  I am trying to link the two to one servo so as to reduce the amount of wiring and other bits of electronics.  Once I have worked  that out I will then try to connect the HA/LA to the system with a break in the link so the forward bridge supper structure  can still lift off for access.  Will Post photos of this if it works.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 21 April 2013, 14:07:08
Hi Paul, the mast structure looks absolutely fine to me, nice bit of detail to it, Now are you trying to catch someone out or is your upper bridge facing the wrong way OR am I having another senior moment, (I have been known to have them)LOL.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: karlgalster on 21 April 2013, 19:36:51
I'm expecting a Captain Mainwaring response from Paul - "I was wondering who would be the first to spot that" ;D
Seriously though, the whole thing looks very good.
robin
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 22 April 2013, 19:45:43
As Cpl Jones would say "Don't panic, Don't panic"  the top bridge is just position there out of the way so that I can take a forward shot of the mast.  Sorry Guys I was hopping you would not notice. But what can I say with some sharp eagle eyes about!!!

The mast has now got the ladder from the bottom to the top installed and all the nav lights, primed and fitted into the base cabin section.  All I have to do now is paint the mast the correct colours.  Glad that bit is over.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 23 April 2013, 08:59:59
Hi Paul, I knew you had'nt made a mistake really, sorry I could not resist, just call me (a stupid boy) LOL.
She's coming together well mate.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 04 May 2013, 12:03:41
Well a little bit more done to the main supper structure.  I have marked out the hand hold rail ready for the pins to be inserted and the wire pushed through.   Also added the support stays for the upper deck and the look out deck.  Remolded the locker for the RSA charging plug.  Tool a while to work out how to put the upper decks stays in but managed it quite well I think.   The Lookout deck support stay runs vertical down to the main deck and that took a while to work out. and get correct as there was thee deck levels to drill through. 
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 04 May 2013, 12:06:25
The other small bit of work done was the forward gun turrets, inserted the barrels and ladders at the rear and primed ready to paint and add the small detail before fitting to the deck and linking up to servo.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 04 May 2013, 22:12:47
Coming on nicely Paul
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 05 May 2013, 20:27:55
I have built up each of the two 40mm STAAG and found the the two mounting for the STAAG do not seem to fit logically on the base of the STAAG,  So I think the correct way is to fit the circular base to the deck floor and the flat surface to the under side of the base to the STAAG.  as to which way round I have no idea.  Can any one help?

I also noted the two guns did not fit the mountings had to file the two pivot on the  inside of each gun off so the guns would lay flat against each other and then drilled a hole 1.7mm in one side to get the guns to fit.   The quality of the base required a lot of reworking with files and routers to clean up so hope they look OK.  I have taken these photos (not good quality seems my camera works sometimes and not so good other times.) and if now primed them.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 05 May 2013, 20:34:41
Now I have a big problem with the twin 40mm Bofor,  there is no base for the gun and I have checked that there is no listing for this gun.  So before I go and speak with Deans Marine Joe what did you use?   From your photos I see you used one of the 40mm STAAG mounts.   If that is the case what mounts did you use on the two STAAG if you did not use the mounts supplied.  Do you still have one mount unused?
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: ship's doctor on 05 May 2013, 20:47:55
Hi Paul,

Your build is looking great- the detail on the bridge wings is excellent.

There are some photos of various 40mm mountings here http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_4cm-56_mk12_pics.htm (http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_4cm-56_mk12_pics.htm)   - you have to go to the end to see the British versions.

Hope this is of help,

James
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 05 May 2013, 20:54:18
Paul, there should be two circular bases for the staags about 15mm dia as far as I can remember, you can just see one in this photo.

I wouldn't panic though you can hardly see them, I would just make some out of plasticard two pieces of 1mm laminated to make 2mm and about 15 to 17mm dia. should be ok by the time they are painted.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 06 May 2013, 11:43:06
Here are better shots of the STAAG on their mounts and primed.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 06 May 2013, 11:54:34
Thanks Joe,  I have used the mounts as supplied with the STAAG kit and I have a T/T mount left over and that fits just under the twin 40mm Bofor just fine as per the sample photos attached.   The quality of the inside of the turret is not very good, too much residue of the materials used to make the mould is evedent in the ammunition rack to the rear, but due to the scale its not bad.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 06 May 2013, 11:57:52
Hopefully I have resolved the camera shots as the camera had a setting of micro with a distance of 2.8" or 7cm.  But have to choose it every time I switch on.  So better shots from now on.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: colin on 08 May 2013, 20:01:03
topic split... the subject of Spray Painting Questions can now be found here. (http://www.deansmarine.co.uk/index.php?topic=551.msg3650#msg3650)
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 11 May 2013, 12:20:54
A little more has been done this past week.  I painted by hand one of the STAAG and I will then paint the other with the airbrush.   Hope my brush work is up to standard of all you guys who still like the brush.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 11 May 2013, 12:24:36
Started on the 6 single 40mm bofors and completed two of them.  The other four could not be completed as the moulds where only part formed.  I have returned them to Deans and should receive replacement over the next week so that I can complete the set.   Hope you like the little touch of detail with the sight.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 11 May 2013, 12:27:51
Completed the twin 40mm gun just have to paint it now and used the base from replacement base for a Torpedo's base and added a bit more so that I can insert a pivot screw to allow the turret to rotate.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 11 May 2013, 12:30:56
Finlay finished of the emergency steering point and have painted part of it. This is very difficult to paint with a brush so will see how the airbrush will work using the fine setting.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 11 May 2013, 12:32:43
Here is a shot of the HA Glass dome which was again painted with a brush. The main body will be airbrushed.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 11 May 2013, 12:34:22
So here is a shot from the stern which shows all in place except the unpainted STAAG.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 11 May 2013, 17:19:51
Hi Paul, I found this to be a very interesting part of the build adding all the detailing "bits" The ship just seems to come to life, looking good mate.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 11 May 2013, 22:56:40
Thanks Joe for those nice words a nice complement thanks.  I am enjoying the build and find the challenger great.  I really did not think I would be very good with this model as this is only my third attempt.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 12 May 2013, 07:42:42
Yes your right Paul Deans kits are challenging and not for the faint hearted, I think a Deans kit is the basis of a good model and then it's up to you and you get a lot of satisfaction when you finish one, probably more so than other makes of kits, if I was being critical the moulded parts could be better, but I still like Deans kits.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: cabin boy on 13 May 2013, 08:02:21
Hi Paul. Your ship is looking really good. As I this is my first time I have greatly appreciated the help of Joe and his and your photos, all of which has played a major part overcoming my frustrations and the lack of instructions that came with the kit. My hull superstructures, some fitted deck fittings all painted by hand, came out well. Now painting all other parts for fitting. Hopefully another 4/6 weeks should see a completion, which I my family and friends are looking forward too. Well done keep up the first class built. Many thanks to yourself and Joe for all your help. Clive
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 20 May 2013, 20:10:55
Thanks Clive, I am glad that Joe and I have been able to help you and hope you continue to work thought the problems.   

I have had a weekend at a railway/model show in Saltcoats this week end and was showing off my boats.   I had a lot of items just placed on the deck so that people could see the build and the type of work required.  When we set up the stand I left my boats over night and when I came in on Sat morning some one had taken one of the 6 x 40mm bofors.  So will have to write to Ron and ask for a complete bofor kept to be mailed to me.  But on the whole every think went well and lots of people asked about the Deans kits and how they could seewhat was on offere as per the range. 

Will post some pictures of the completed guns mast and D/C racks.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 20 May 2013, 20:14:29
During the show I watch some soldering of Brass and Brass Edge.  The guys used liquid flux for brass and boy the soldering was great and the work looked great.   I watched and saw how I was making thinks hard for myself.  So will be a lot happier now and will be able to solder more.

here are the photos of the rear masts with the radio antenna
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: cabin boy on 21 May 2013, 10:18:31
Hi Paul As a young man many years ago I was a tv eng and a soldering iron was a daily extension of my hand. The essence is clean parts. With the brass I always clean both parts with a fine file or wire wool and immediately cover with flux. This keeps the parts clean and stops them from oxidizing (getting dirty and not visible to the eye which prevents sound soldering or joints that come apart under pressure). The flux also acts as a capillary action and helps a minimum of solder to flow and adhere quickly avoiding too much solder or overheating. Hope this info is useful. Clive
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 21 May 2013, 11:43:38
Thanks Clive all info is of use tome and others who read these treads. ^^^
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 10 June 2013, 12:41:24
Well I have returned from my holiday (nice break was in Ripon) and got back to working on my model.  Before I left I started on the small ship life boats/whaler etc.  I found that in my set of boats I found only one whaler, one open case boat and three motorised boats.  The build that you did Joe had two whalers, and one motor launch.  Not shore if I am missing some thing or got the incorrect small boat vacuum sheet.   Any way got on with the job and her are the three boats I have done so far. 1 the motor launch.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 10 June 2013, 12:43:54
2nd the whaler.  Still to do the rudder and the top rib on the hull.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 10 June 2013, 12:45:14
The other open sea boat I have to use in place of the second whaler.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 10 June 2013, 12:46:38
The rest I have just made up and may find a use for them at some time.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 10 June 2013, 12:52:11
I have now installed the on off switches for the ESC and was about to bond the fore deck to the hull when I realised that; 1.  How am I gong to install the A turret linkage.  2.  If I install the turret then I will not be able to paint the deck.  3. If installed the deck and the A turret will have to be painted in position.   I am wondering how best to go about this?  I wonder how Joe got on this this! ???
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: Manxman1831 on 10 June 2013, 14:26:56
Could you make the 'A' turret removable from the linkage?  Tempting fate, I know, if you sail in heavy seas and lose the turret.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 10 June 2013, 21:04:31
Hi Paul.
You've done a nice job on the ships boats, I didn't use the vacform boats I got some from John R Haynes. two 27' whalers and a 25' motor launch  (bit like cheating really) but great detail on them, and I've just got some for Bramble from The Model Dockyard. 
I fitted A turret after the decks were finished in fact both turrets were fitted almost at the end of the build, although they had been pre fitted so I knew they would work "A" turret is fiddly but possible and both turrets have their own micro servos linked with a "y" lead.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 15 June 2013, 13:40:56
Well I have now installed and tested the B turret and it works not to bad how ever the movement/arch of the turret movement is not all that good it only turns about 30 decrees not the 90 degrees I was hoping for.   As you will note I have not used the spring on the B turret I use control leaver from the kit for the rudder and drilled and tapped the base with a 2.5 grub screw to hold to the spindle on the turret.  and the link rod is very small in length.  Will need to see how I can improve the movement as I have the longest control arm on the servo and a short one on the turret.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 15 June 2013, 13:44:11
I have completed the on off switch's for the ESC and they work great and when painted they will look like normal air vents in the deck.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 15 June 2013, 13:52:38
Made the rudder for the 27ft whaler and completed the second small sea boat as a back up.   Working out now how to install the three point lift position on these boats so that the can be held in place on the Derrek's.   As I only have one 27ft whaler I will use the other motor launch and install that on the Port side which all Navy guys know as the senior side for officers, there for this launch will do just fine.   Marked out and drilled the boat Derrek's and checked measurements all OK.   So wen I receive my A turret brass ling plate I will install all decks and start the trim down of the hull ready for painting.  I am really looking forward to this as I feel the shop will become a whole item now not parts ready to be fitted.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 16 June 2013, 14:36:28
Hi Paul
On my turrets I got about 40 degrees to port and 40 to strbrd. I think that's about all you can get with an arm and push rod set up, I think you would have to use some sort of gear wheel set up to get any more movement, I'll be giving that some thought for my next build, I didn't bother turning the small deck gun on Bramble I don't think it would have the same effect as Solebay.
I wish you would glue them decks down Paul, I can't start another one till you finish Solebay, it makes me look greedy, ha ha ! ;D
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: ship's doctor on 16 June 2013, 18:28:30
Hi Paul,

Build looking great- really coming together!

I had a go at getting the turrets to work on my previous model of a tribal destroyer- had the same problem with limited range using servos, tried with motors and microswitches but in the end the mechanism I put in was too heavy and affected the stability of the boat, so I had to take it all out...

One option might be a 'servomorph' from Action electronics- this allows you to increase the travel of a servo and change the speed. Not used it myself though so no experience!

James
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 16 June 2013, 23:46:24
Colin:  I am just waiting for the brass plate I ordered so that I can fit it to the A turret and then the decks are ready to bonded.  I have finished inside now so she will then get her sea trials or bath trails. Ha Ha Ha.   I am going to visit Deans in July to have a look at the Hospital ship and then if I like that will be my next one.   But who knows you may have built another two by then !

James.   I have seen what you that from Action.  You can put two or three in line.   Will have a look at that.   I though that if the servo had a large arm and the gun had a smaller one the turn circle would be greatest.  So I will try that as I can drill the arm to put the rod closer to the spindle.  Any thoughts any one?
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 17 June 2013, 08:58:52
Hi Paul
Yes you're right about the long arm on the servo and short on the turret up to a point ,but the trouble is the push rod hits the pivot pin on the turret,
I've even thought of fitting the servo under the turret and directly connected to the servo shaft just some thoughts.

Joe
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: ship's doctor on 17 June 2013, 17:51:45
Hi Paul,

As Joe said I had the problem with the push rod hitting the turret pivot - with the 'servo morph' you can put the turret directly on the servo. As I understand you don't need to connect several in line, the angle is adjustable with one unit. You then use a 'Y' lead from the unit to the servos for A and B turrets. That all said I've never actually used one!

James
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: karlgalster on 17 June 2013, 19:03:06
The Action P96 Servo morph is pretty good but the actual maximum angular movement stretch you can get is limited to + or - 90 degrees or + or - 80 degrees. The higher angle is that quoted on the Action data sheet and the lower is quoted on the componentshop.co.uk web site who are now the sole stockists of Action items. At ?14 a go not cheap if you require one per turret or you intend ganging them.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 24 June 2013, 22:41:39
Great news,  I have now bonded the decks to the hull and am rubbing down to a nice smooth edge.  All guns in and all motors set.  Will put up photos of the work later.  Now I can put her in the water.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: cabin boy on 25 June 2013, 08:47:01
Good luck with water test, just done mine, Solebay looks magnificent in water, even in the limitations of a bath. My ship finished fully fitted, including motors etc. Only boats to finish. Photos taken and hope my son will post them for me this evening. Clive
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 26 June 2013, 19:00:19
Great Clive look forward to seeing them.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 30 June 2013, 20:09:24
As promised here are the photos of the hull before the deck was bonded and then the photos of the deck bonding.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 30 June 2013, 20:18:49
Once the deck was bonded and all cracks/errors in the deck to the hull was filled with marine filler, she was rub down and looks a treat.   So started on the for deck and started with the anchors.  I drilled the head of the anchor with a 0.8mm drill then filled down the anchor arm so that it would move through a 180 degrees and pined it with a small 0.8 copper pin cut from a rod.  Connected  my own anchor chain and secured to the anchor.   Taking a photo copy of the bow and stern elements from the plan, I transposed all the detail to the deck and fitted all the walk way ribs and all the anchor gear.   Even drilled the inlet tubes so the extra chain goes into the hull.  Drilled out the anchor chain rollers and fitted then to the base.   Then drilled out the anchor holes and widens the hole to take the anchor arm.  See photos.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 30 June 2013, 20:21:07
Did the same for the stern deck and fitted every thing in place.   Dry fitted the Depth charge racks so that I know where to put the walk ways.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 30 June 2013, 20:23:12
Then the the first coat of primer has been applied and will now wait 48 hours to dry before I put on the second coat.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 01 July 2013, 09:08:52
whoopee the deck is bonded  ha ha ha    But to be serious she's looking good Paul.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 01 July 2013, 12:11:38
Yes Joe have to agree with you but one thought I like the look of the photos when she is in white before painting, she looks so alive and bright.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 01 July 2013, 18:36:01
White eehh that would make a nice target for the  Admiral Graf Spee LOL. (yes I know the date is about 5 years off). let's make it Prinz Eugen now that is possible.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 02 July 2013, 19:49:24
Well Here she is nearly all kitted out just the life boats and rafts to install and then the railings.   I would like some help in which way I should go in painting the colour.   Should I do the decks first then cover them up and paint the superstructure and the hull or the other way round.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 02 July 2013, 20:26:45
Hi Paul,
I painted the hull first, then the fore and aft decks in the "red lead" colour and then all the other decks, although I did paint them without all of her armament in place it made it much easier, then you just have to scrape off a little paint where they are glued, once all the ship was painted the last thing was the railings while they were still in sheet form I rubbed them down both sides with 1200 grit paper so they were ready for paint then trimmed them out and fitted them to the model and painted them when fitted, I used a micro drill to fit them I've never found the heat sink method very successful.
Having said all that I do only use a brush to paint, I've no idea how you would do all that with an airbrush.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 02 July 2013, 21:02:41
Thanks for that Joe,  I am hoping to get a response from guys who have also used an air brush.   I have not followed the plan building instructions from Deans, I have found that building in small groups lets me see and check my work.  The one thing I have learned that is I will open up the kit box next time and check every item for quality of the cased items.  Some as you have found had to be reworked or fresh one made.  I found when I was check to install the sea launch and 27 ft whaler one of the Derk's has no feet on one side.  not much fun 15moth down the line.  I know Deans does a great service and always replaces the item but it would be nice to get the item wright first time. Grump over.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: karlgalster on 03 July 2013, 18:16:16
As an air-brusher I would suggest the following:
Paint as much as possible off the model. Practically all fittings individually stuck to a base with say blu tack or double sided tape and same colour items sprayed in single batches. The idea is to make masking (the key to airbrushing) as straightforward and hence accurate as possible.
Paint superstructures with minimal fittings attached. If possible spray in sub-sections so as to keep masking as simple as possible. e.g. the double height forward structure would be airbrushed as two separate items.
Deck airbrushed with minimal fittings attached. e.g. no turrets, bollards, stanchions, railings, fairleads capstans etc etc
Hull - whether you paint the hull side or the deck first sides is not important as you will need to mask alternate areas whatever the order. Having said that I prefer to paint the sides first.
Glaze portholes and windows after airbrushing.
Use high quality masking tape - Tamiya (helps minimise leakage of paint under the mask and should not remove paint when the masking is subsequently removed).
If you get a run - just wait till dry, rub down and do it again, don't try and bodge it ???
Bear in mind you will always have to hand paint something (e.g. bridge decks in confined spaces with bulwark supporting brackets making masking impractical).
Just my thoughts
Robin :smiley1:

Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 04 July 2013, 21:42:25
Thanks for the information Robin.   Your thoughts are along the line I had.  I will do the decks first and then the superstructures.   I have bonded some deck fitting but not all.  And I have painted a lot of items off the ship so that will help.   The forward turrets A has to be on the ship to tight to fit after so will work around that problem.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 06 July 2013, 20:53:54
I did some more detail work over the last few days.   Was not happy with the racks for the flowting rope, to purchased some others and made them up, they look a lot better then the others.   When talking to a chap who server on her he said the actual used them to store wood beans with floats.   So I cut up some nice oak wood into small strips and then wiped them together with black cotton.   Not bad me thinks.  The first photo shows them basket primed and the next the completed job.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 06 July 2013, 20:56:23
Then I turned my hand to the torpedo loaders,  with a small turning hand wheel added and a small hook and eye joined with some black Cotton another improvement.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 06 July 2013, 21:01:38
Finlay I added the turn hand wheels to add detail to the anchor chain lock from the hull to the capatan.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: ship's doctor on 08 July 2013, 22:23:28
Some great details!- particularly like the torpedo davits. Are they from the Dean's 'destroyer' etch set?

James
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 09 July 2013, 13:10:04
Yes James I have used items from this set to improve the look and detail.   Not all of it will suit as it was really made for HMS Kelly.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 15 July 2013, 20:46:06
Well after a period of silence from me I have had my head down and got on with the painting of the superstructure and all the other items I have in small parts to help in the painting.  So I have started with the deck and uper sections befor I got on with the hull.   So here are some photos of my handy work.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 15 July 2013, 20:52:50
Once the hull was dry and the basic tough ups done I then mounted the smaller sections to see how she is looking.   I still have to paint the aft and forward decks as I do not have the paint code 73 to paint them. so have ordered and will do when the paint arrives.  I hope you like what you see as she is beginning to look great now.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 15 July 2013, 20:56:01
The next few photos show the rear gun deck completed and varnished to finish off that section of the boat.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 15 July 2013, 21:11:09
Have now varnished all the guns for the mid deck and AA deck, the main mast and funnel.  All the search lights and boat davits as well as the TT davits.   All the smaller items have been painted and are ready to be installed once I have all the lift raft dingy painted and all the small boats for the davits.  I have changed the could scheme of the boats to white tops, black hull and red bottoms.  Just to add some colour and using the not at war look
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 15 July 2013, 21:14:50
Hi Paul, she is looking good, nothing like a bit of colour to bring a model to life, I took my Solebay down to the lake this morning, great conditions, and tried out her new props she dose look magnificent at flank speed, large bow wave and kicking up a wash at the stern, you have this to come I know you will be impressed.  Joe
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 15 July 2013, 21:30:19
I still have to weigh the ship to see what weight I will have to add.   Sailing weight is surpose to be 4.1kg, did you weigh yours?
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 15 July 2013, 21:39:36
Never actually weighed it, just did the water line as per plan and added ballast till it looked right,  it takes more ballast than you would think,   
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: colin on 16 July 2013, 07:44:23
Hi Paul,
all coming together nicely there  ^^^

have you chosen to use a brush or have you part sprayed and part brushed the paint..?

as Joe has already said, i would do the same, finished ship in the Bath and then add ballast until she sits on her water line, and ignore the specifications as to sailing weight...
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 16 July 2013, 09:27:37
Morning Colin,

I have sprayed all the small parts and the supperstructure to reduce the build up of paint on these items.   The large area like the decks and the hull I purchased the very best quality paint brushes and used them to apply the paint.   ( I found the air brush with a 0.3 size nozzle would not work well to cover large areas and would clog with the paint so thin.)  The lacquer on the rear gun deck was applied with brush and did not lay very well so looking at cans of vehicle spray lacquer (acrylic) to see if I can acquire a better quality finish.   The first sample I tried the spray cans on there was a yellowing effect.   So going to try a lighter coat and apply two or three layers at about 9 inch from the subjet test item to see if that reduces the yellowing effect.

The whole model can be effective if the painting is not a quality finish.   All the hard work in building can be undone with a poor paint finish.   I hope mine looks good, and will post close up shots of the paint work when she is complete.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: cabin boy on 06 August 2013, 16:35:57
Hi Paul looking good so much up-graded detail. I purchased 10mm thick metal, 75mm wide, sits well widthwise. I have cut various lengths marking weights 4oz up to 1lb. Having identified position in hull clearly marked, removed, made a tray to exact size which was glued to hull and into which weights placed. Thus giving me a low centre of gravity (10mm) and the ability to move weights if I add future items that change the balance of the ship. Regards Clive
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: cabin boy on 06 August 2013, 16:39:11
Hi Paul Should have said trays, weights may well have to be in more than one position Regards Clive
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 06 August 2013, 18:39:47
Hi Clive,   I think Paul is on a few months holiday in oz , when talking about weight, I was quite surprised how much ballast it took to get Solebay on her water line and even Bramble at two thirds the length took more than I had thought, but put in the right places it does make them very stable.
Joe.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: cabin boy on 06 August 2013, 21:37:58
Hi Joe, Lucky Paul. The right ballast certainly makes her stable. Sailed mine at Roath Park Lake Cardiff handled well looks really good, swell worth all the heartache. Was down there today but a green weed is beginning to take over and cover the surface, not many more days sailing there will have to find new venue, one in mind. See you have itchy fingers, HMS Cossack, well so do I HMS Tanatside, a Welsh connection, funded by the people of Ceredigion, Wales. Its name the first letter of the villages forming Ceredigion (pilgrim ceredigion.gov.uk). I see you are sailing HMS Bramble and fab she looks. One problem so that history does not repeat itself can we avoid 58.13N,03.18E. On the 4th Sept 1942 HMS Tanatside was launched and on the 26th Sept was in collision with HMS Bramble at this location, and thereafter under repair until late Oct 1942(www.naval (http://www.naval) history net/ Tanatside). Forwarned is forarmed, hey. Regards Clive
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 06 August 2013, 22:13:40
Hey Clive, When you have finished HMS Tanatside would you make sure you keep her well clear of Wallpole Park, I prefer HMS Bramble without any dents LOL. 
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Post by: paul swainson on 11 August 2013, 22:19:00
Hi guys, I am back and enjoyed my two week break down in the Tiviton area.   Two weeks of great weather and read four books (normally I read maybe one.)  Well I have returned to my model building and have got a lot done in the passed week and have just about finished her off.   Just the small boats to attach and bond the last few small items of detail to the deck.   I must say she looks great and really proud of her.   I have to stick the decals on and not sure if the ones supplied are like the model.  (Place then in warm water and then slide them off onto the surface they are meant.   May be Joe can advise me on that one.)  I only have to varnish the whole hull and the main deck and superstructure and she will be ready for the pond.   Like most of you my pond is full of weed so will try the one in Largs to give her a first outing.   Will post lots of pictures of her some time this week so that you can see the final build.

When I return from my retirement break in Oz and NZ with look at my next project.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: colin on 12 August 2013, 09:56:17
basically yes Paul, the decals in water (does not have to be warm) then slide them into location on the modell.

but what i do.... were the decals go i firstly give the area a drop of gloss varnish, then apply the decal, dabbing it with a dry tissue once in its location, then i paint over it with with a decal softener and then paint over with a decal fixer, then once all dry, another thin coat of gloss varnish, this hides the area around the decal that would normally come up mat...

once all this is dry i then spray the hole hull in satin varnish...

hope this helps..
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 12 August 2013, 17:48:02
I always put some washing up liquid in the water it breaks down the surface tension and makes the transfers slid easier and give a bit longer to position and fix using a gentle dabbing action.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 12 August 2013, 18:16:55
Yes Colin and Joe that did help, now if I may be so bold here she is and the only item to do is the 8 lift boats and stand and a full coat of varnish.   Hope you do not mind the photos I think she is just great.   Well worth the wait time and hours put in.
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Post by: paul swainson on 12 August 2013, 18:22:39
and some more
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Post by: paul swainson on 12 August 2013, 18:24:42
and the last.   There are more on my Flicker site which you can view if you want to see more detail.  Here is the link http://www.flickr.com/photos/92998762@N02/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/92998762@N02/)
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Post by: cabin boy on 12 August 2013, 19:06:03
Fab Paul shes' going to look magnificent sailing. It was such a thrill when I sailed mine first christening with a bottle, which those present helped finish off. Great detail. Will there be a crew, that really is a finishing touch. Well done. Clive  I have ordered HMS Tanatside due to be delivered Wed/Thurs 14th/15th.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 12 August 2013, 19:10:15
Yes there will be a crew, they have all just been primed and sorted out as to what goes were.   The dress will be white tops  with blue bell bottoms some in shorts.   Officers in full dress, and gun crew in White flash guards.   This will take some time and will require some more colours to be ordered.   Thanks for your comments and yes there will be a launch.
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Post by: simon2302 on 12 August 2013, 19:31:06
What colour green did you use for the deck? and a fab looking boat. Simon
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Post by: paul swainson on 12 August 2013, 19:52:24
Used 88 hombrol (acrylic) paint.  Thanks for your kind comments.   All the decks of the Battle Destroyers were painted green.
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Post by: radio joe on 12 August 2013, 20:04:27
Hi Paul, who's been a busy boy then, perhaps now you've court up I can order HMS Cossack LOL, seriously though she looks a fine job, look forward to seeing her on the water, at last they have cleared the weed from the lake I use apparently they couldn't do it till now because of the mating  season of the lesser spotted midget shrimp or something like that LOL. but it is nice and clear now.
I have just joined the "surface warship association" and have already been invited to exhibit my two Deans ships at an exhibition in Gosport on the bank holiday weekend something new to me but looking forward to it I'll post some photos after.  Joe. 
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Post by: ship's doctor on 12 August 2013, 22:40:50
Superb build Paul - awaiting the launch and sea trials!

James
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Post by: philchop on 13 August 2013, 10:53:30
Hi Paul, lovely model, I know how much time it takes to get it to that level ,but she looks great!! well done.
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Post by: Dennis on 13 August 2013, 15:55:31
I agree a lot of hours in this one. One to be proud of, looks amazing!! ^^^
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Post by: colin on 13 August 2013, 18:14:20
welldone Paul   ^^^
i think you can be prowed of the work you have put into this model.
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Post by: mikearace on 13 August 2013, 19:59:52
Lovely job to be proud of Paul.
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Post by: paul swainson on 16 August 2013, 12:13:24
Thanks guys for your word and engorgement for my next build which I wont to make even better in the build.   The joints on some of the structures could be better with more time in cutting and sealing.   Using the plans more with the old saying measure twice cut once.   After all that I am really delighted with her and I am now doing the crew and looking for flags to suit.   The sea trials will come when I have full varnished the hull and all the main deck.   Hope to have a video of the sea trials.   I have my dry suit ready in case she goes deep!!!.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 19 August 2013, 16:19:15
well lads the first water test was the trusty old bath.  When I first put her in with the weight in the bow she was leaning to one side, adjusted the weight more to the centre and corrected the lean to the one side now she seems to be level.   The wind is too high at the moment so not able to take her to the local dock yard and sailer.   So did a operation test and find tuned the rudder found it cam loose from its loction in the hull floor.  So first mod to her has been carried out and plans adjusted.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 19 August 2013, 16:25:39
I have found the turning circle of the guns very poor, so going to try the circle idea that Joe posted.   I got with my mini servos a circle disc so will put that on the guns and a larger one on the servo, see how that goes.  Once the wind comes down will video sea trials.
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Post by: cabin boy on 19 August 2013, 16:48:46
Nice one Paul, looks good in water. Good luck with sea trials. Clive
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Post by: radio joe on 19 August 2013, 19:09:03
Hi Paul, Looks good in the water, I've noticed that my solebay is effected by anything more than a light breeze, probably her relatively narrow beam to her length, tends to get blown sideways when she's not underway, I don't see any Carley floats on board, you have to protect the crew you know especially on sea trials LOL.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 19 August 2013, 20:44:09
LoL.  The crew will not be on board when see trails take place.   They will be under going a uniform inspection to ensure they are fit for service aboard HMS Solebay.   Must be smart, so shoes.boots black, gernal duties  blue shorts trousers and shirt, and for the engine room crew up for a smoke boiler suits.   Deck watch full whites, and officers in full whites.  So the rafts will just have to wait. (hehehe)
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 25 August 2013, 17:23:37
Well gents water trails have been completed and I have put on my photo stream the video of the event.   due to the size of the film you will find it better to view there.  The link is the same as previous post.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/92998762@N02/sets/72157632709296137/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/92998762@N02/sets/72157632709296137/)
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 25 August 2013, 19:12:50
I use tracing paper laid over the drawings that deans had for the main templates.  I used 3 ply wood and used a mini wood saw/bow saw to cut out the shape and then sanded down until they slotted into the hull.  I used these instead of the plastic card ones which are in the kit.   They give the hull a ridged structure to work with.   
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: RHSDRAKE8 on 25 August 2013, 22:52:57
Hi Paul,
Well what can I say wonderful job you have made of that model what will you find to do next?
It really spurrs me on to want to spend more time modeling and less time working the curse of the poor!
I found the flicker site it is very good to have all the photos in one place saves trying to find them in the forum topic. one thing I could not get the video to play? do you need to sign up/in to get the play button to work?
I am currently having fun trying to get the hatch system sorted. It seems I may have a problem trying to keep the deck level with the flange under the deck to support the hatch, and I now see why Deans say leave 2mm gap at the top to the top of the hull templates, I should have read a bit more into the instructions.
Your final paint job has really made the model come to life, again well done.
Kind regards
Dave
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 25 August 2013, 23:15:11
Nice one Paul,  It looks like our Solebays performances seem to be very close, turning, lean out  etc. well done mate.  Joe.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 26 August 2013, 10:02:50
Well gents thanks for all your kind words.  I am please with her but just one or two small points I noticed with her was that she was light at the stern and not fully in the water.  Also the water line is not just write, need to raise the black line a little higher (maybe Joe can give me a measurement of his at the bow midsection and stern for me to compare laying the boat on a flat table top?)  I will find some weight for the stern then try her again.

The next project I think will be the Stolaf as a short term model but I am seriously looking at doing the Aircraft carrier HMS Illustrious (87) Lusy from the period 1940 to 1950.  Deans have a Hull which could be used but is not accurate below the water line, and in some places the port holes etc.  Looking for plans just now as I want to do a semi kit this time and use it as a competition model if that sound daft I hope not.

You must look at your plug ins on your browser as the video should work OK.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: cabin boy on 27 August 2013, 08:43:18
HI Paul been away so just seen flicker and the amazing sea trials, looks great well done. All the sweat, frustration all gone, worth every moment. The challenge now the success Clive
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: radio joe on 27 August 2013, 09:55:54
Hi Paul,
Now you mentioned the water line I had another look at her on the water and yes I would agree with you she is quite high this would tend to make her a little unstable, I went by the plan for the boot topping and also looked at several photos of the battles and they all sat quite low in the water, so I based my boot top on them , and I was pleased with the result as she is very stable, here are the measurements you asked about I hope they help,
And no it doesn't sound daft to build a competition model, you go for it, most people could not achieve what you already have. Joe
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: cabin boy on 27 August 2013, 16:56:15
HiPaul, Mine almost identical to Joe and Solebay is stable even on sharp turns. My readings as Joe from deck Stern 26, Midships 26, and bow 73. Regards Clive
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 27 August 2013, 22:56:42
Thanks guys, I will compare the figures on Thursday when I finish work and see what I have to do.   I am waiting on a new 0.5 needle and jet for my airbrush, so will get to use it then if it arrives on time.
Title: Re: My build of HMS Solebay.
Post by: paul swainson on 03 September 2013, 23:19:15
Well the crew has been kitted out and ready for inspection before boarding HMS Solebay for duty.   Just waiting for the paint to dry on the base of each figure so that I can bond them to the deck.   Will post photos of the crew and then when on board.  Took a while to paint each one.

Paul.

The crew before they are varnished.